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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Enough to not really dispute me.
    No, just enough to disprove you claim that my definition would include ALL laws.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    ah yes .... John Stossel who does a rant about lawsuits ruining America but has no trouble suing when he cannot take a simple slap to the head. Hypocritical wimp sissy libertarian piece of trash.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    I don't know that any of it is really necessary but I think a law requiring people to fulfill their contractual obligations is very different than a law advocating slave labor.
    What planet are you living on that not being to refuse service to people on something as arbitrary as skin pigmentation is the same as lifelong forced labor without compensation.

    I don't know where this "big business" stuff is coming from though.
    Neither do I...since I didn't mention "big business".

    I know it's hard for you but can you tone the partisan hackery down just a bit?
    Color me confused! I guess this is about the "big business" comments that I didn't make!

    Slaves were compensated.

    Where do you think their food, water, shelter, clothing, etc. came from?

    I'm not sure what compensation has to do with it anyway. Slavery involves being forced to work for someone against your will. It wouldn't have ceased being slavery if plantation owners dropped a few coins in their pockets here and there. Heck, it would still be slavery if they were highly paid people doing work against their will.
    No it was slavery because it was ownership of another person. It was the total subjugation of a person and forcing them to lifelong labor and only providing them the necessities to exist in order to get more labor out of them.

    It's nothing like losing the "freedom" to arbitrarily say you won't serve people with a darker skin tone.

    The fact you make that argument is just silly and hard to take seriously.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ah yes .... John Stossel who does a rant about lawsuits ruining America but has no trouble suing when he cannot take a simple slap to the head. Hypocritical wimp sissy libertarian piece of trash.
    Cool ad hom, bro.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Cool ad hom, bro.
    Just the truth.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Just the truth.
    Just a logical fallacy.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Just a logical fallacy.
    Was there something about the libertarian hypocrite sissy Stossel that I got factually wrong?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Everything you mention is protected by the state's willingness to "initiate aggression against other". Private property doesn't exist outside of the state providing laws and enforcing contracts.
    Who told you the existence of private property has anything to do with the state?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sorry your definition would cover all laws and as such silly. You have to put things in context and not expect no fairness in the law. You are being quite hyperbolic.
    The non-aggression principle does not imply anarchy.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    No, it's because a law was passed and enforced and the enforcement of that law sculpted behavior.

    See how that puts the horse before the cart?

    First the law came, then behavior began to change as a result of the law, then the idea that it's not cool to discriminate against people followed suit.
    There is several hundred years’ worth of history that says otherwise.

    Discrimination has always existed in some capacity but, even in the most extreme capacities, people have managed to do business and get by long before 1964’s Civil Rights Act. The law sculpted behavior? Are you really under the impression that black people didn’t shop in stores before this act? I have news for you: WHITE PEOPLE TOOK THEIR MONEY.

    The law didn’t sculpt behavior.

    White Christians just aren’t the racists out for blood you insist we are.


    Boo hoo hoo.

    People have to sell stuff to people they may not have a strong personal afffinity for.

    Poor little shop keeps.

    If it’s so small potatoes then why don’t you put the money you’re already bragging about where your mouth is and start selling stuff to these people? Why do we have to force someone when you’re willing and seldom a topic comes up that you don’t find a way to work in how well you’re doing?

    And please note that proving it to me will actually require objective proof, not just your opinion.
    Objective proof for your fictitious scenario?

    WTF??

    So your contention would be that he wouldn't sell his business, or that another enterprising entrepreneur wouldn't recognize the need in the market for a grocery store and fill the void?

    Maybe you'll buy that but I've got much to much faith in capitalisim to accept it.

    It's perfectly plausible that a given micromarket might only support one grocery score due to economies of scale preventing two from competing.

    But it's simply preposterous to presume that the market forces wouldn't answer an opportunity for needs to be met.

    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

    This is your fictitious story, not mine.

    You even came up with the oddly specific Desert Storm vet who hates dangerous “Mooooooslims”.

    There was no market forces in your fictitious story, remember? It was impossible for your Muslim family to shop in another store, buy off Amazon, grow or make their own stuff, etc. They would die if he didn’t sell to them, remember? I just assume it stood to reason that Amazon or the ability to farm wouldn’t suddenly exist in “soot-ville” if your racist white Christian vet wanted to retire or move to the west coast.

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