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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In our system, the people give authority to the government.
    And where do these people acquire the authority over Joe in the first place? Do they have some sort of divine right that gives them authority over how other people trade on their own property?

    And they are not ruling Joe; Just his business.
    Well, if they are just going to arrest the business, that's fine with me. I just don't want them messing with Joe.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In our system, the people give authority to the government. This is basic government 101. Government couldn't function without our support. We do this by voting, most often for representatives who represent our interests. Again, the civil rights movement would explain fully how it worked in this case.

    And they are not ruling Joe; Just his business.
    we have given over some power to government, we did not give any of our rights over to government.

    in you line of thinking, when someone enters the business world, they wave their rights to association and right to property.

    i never heard of anyone acquiring a license, that says "on acceptance of this license you agree to wave your rights"

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And where do these people acquire the authority over Joe in the first place? Do they have some sort of divine right that gives them authority over how other people trade on their own property?



    Well, if they are just going to arrest the business, that's fine with me. I just don't want them messing with Joe.
    Surely I don't have to give a civics lesson here? His acts effect others, a court case (i linked for you) should actual financial harm to people discriminated against, and that it even effected local economy, effecting outside of Joe's Diner. So, the people voted, congress acted, and the courts ruled. Everything was followed and performed as was required.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    we have given over some power to government, we did not give any of our rights over to government.

    in you line of thinking, when someone enters the business world, they wave their rights to association and right to property.

    i never heard of anyone acquiring a license, that says "on acceptance of this license you agree to wave your rights"
    No rights have been violated. Quite the contrary, rights have been protected.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No rights have been violated. Quite the contrary, rights have been protected.
    who's rights?

    you say when a person enters the business world , they have to accept laws...well OK, i accept constitutional law, becuase it is the highest there is, statutory law is below constitutional law.

    so if the constitution say a citizen cannot be force to do something against this will, unless a crime has been committed, how can statutory law be invoked over constitutional law in this area?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Surely I don't have to give a civics lesson here? His acts effect others, a court case (i linked for you) should actual financial harm to people discriminated against, and that it even effected local economy, effecting outside of Joe's Diner. So, the people voted, congress acted, and the courts ruled. Everything was followed and performed as was required.
    Yes, people voted and delegated authority.

    But from where did they acquire the authority to delegate in the first place. How do some people come by the authority to tell Joe how he must engage in trade on his own property? Are these people possessed of some sort of divine right that enables them to rule their fellow man?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    who's rights?

    you say when a person enters the business world , they have to accept laws...well OK, i accept constitutional law, becuase it is the highest there is, statutory law is below constitutional law.

    so if the constitution say a citizen cannot be force to do something against this will, unless a crime has been committed, how can statutory law be invoked over constitutional law in this area?
    The minority who was denied service. Read your history and a court case or two.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, people voted and delegated authority.

    But from where did they acquire the authority to delegate in the first place. How do some people come by the authority to tell Joe how he must engage in trade on his own property? Are these people possessed of some sort of divine right that enables them to rule their fellow man?
    The people are the authority within the confines of our system. As they did not violate the constitution, this law stood. As I said, all of the pillars of our government were involved.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The people are the authority within the confines of our system. As they did not violate the constitution, this law stood. As I said, all of the pillars of our government were involved.
    And how did these people become the authority over Joe and the trades he makes on his own property? How does one person or group of people acquire authority over another?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The minority who was denied service. Read your history and a court case or two.
    so your saying you have a right to service...to be served....do i have you correct?

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