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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Once he choose to enter into business, that business came subject to rules. yes. You mis-frame this badly all the time, but it is the Diner, what goes on in the diner, now in the public market place that is subject to rules and regulations. Many of them actually.
    So you're saying that once Joe decides to engage in trade on his own property, you feel as if you have the legitimate authority to use force to make him trade according to your desires. How did you come by the authority to dictate to your fellow man how he may engage in trade on his own property. Is this some sort of divine right you have that makes you superior to him?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So you're saying that once Joe decides to engage in trade on his own property, you feel as if you have the legitimate authority to use force to make him trade according to your desires. How did you come by the authority to dictate to your fellow man how he may engage in trade on his own property. Is this some sort of divine right you have that makes you superior to him?
    Not feel. It's the law. Just like laws that govern the health standards or tax rules or any other element of the business. He is not abused in any way.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So you're saying that once Joe decides to engage in trade on his own property, you feel as if you have the legitimate authority to use force to make him trade according to your desires. How did you come by the authority to dictate to your fellow man how he may engage in trade on his own property. Is this some sort of divine right you have that makes you superior to him?
    we have people who feel becuase someone does something that they themselves do not agree with, even though no crime has been committed, they have a superior right to make rules for others to correct their behavior.

    you see this a lot with people who believe the public should be able to make their own rights.

    this is why control of rights in the hands of the people is a dangerous thing.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not feel. It's the law. Just like laws that govern the health standards or tax rules or any other element of the business. He is not abused in any way.
    Ah yes, "the law", which means an edict issued by a group of people.

    And you feel that these people are legitimately justified in dictating to their fellow man how he may engage in trade on his own property. And how do these people acquire their authority over Joe to dictate how he may engage in trade on his own property. Do they have some special powers? Some sort of divine right that gives them the authority to issue orders ("laws") to their fellow man?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    we have people who feel becuase someone does something that they themselves do not agree with, even though no crime has been committed, they have a superior right to make rules for others to correct their behavior.

    you see this a lot with people who believe the public should be able to make their own rights.

    this is why control of rights in the hands of the people is a dangerous thing.
    Yes, the world appears to be full of control-freak scumbags who feel as if they have a divine right to rule over their fellow man. Where they get off claiming to be the king of others is beyond me. It just seems so anti-egalitarian and feudal.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Ah yes, "the law", which means an edict issued by a group of people.

    And you feel that these people are legitimately justified in dictating to their fellow man how he may engage in trade on his own property. And how do these people acquire their authority over Joe to dictate how he may engage in trade on his own property. Do they have some special powers? Some sort of divine right that gives them the authority to issue orders ("laws") to their fellow man?
    Laws are laws. They keep us from anarchy. A comment I made a while back. They have a history. They often ensure the public tranquility if not good. No one anywhere is completely free to do anything he or she wants. Same here. The owner is not, I repeat, is not being abused in any way. Suck it up.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Laws are laws. They keep us from anarchy. A comment I made a while back. They have a history. They often ensure the public tranquility if not good. No one anywhere is completely free to do anything he or she wants. Same here. The owner is not, I repeat, is not being abused in any way. Suck it up.
    Laws are laws. Edicts are edicts. Orders are orders. Commands are commands. This is obvious.

    But, what gives the commander(s) the legitimate authority to command how Joe engages in trade on his own property?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Laws are laws. Edicts are edicts. Orders are orders. Commands are commands. This is obvious.

    But, what gives the commander(s) the legitimate authority to command how Joe engages in trade on his own property?
    The people. We the people. We gave it legitimacy. it was earned through civil rights. It was done the way it should be done. not from above, but from the people.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The people. We the people. We gave it legitimacy. it was earned through civil rights. It was done the way it should be done. not from above, but from the people.
    But how did the people of which you speak acquire the legitimate authority to tell Joe how he may engage in trade on his own property. Do these people have some sort of divine right to rule over Joe? If so, how did they acquire this special power?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    But how did the people of which you speak acquire the legitimate authority to tell Joe how he may engage in trade on his own property. Do these people have some sort of divine right to rule over Joe? If so, how did they acquire this special power?
    In our system, the people give authority to the government. This is basic government 101. Government couldn't function without our support. We do this by voting, most often for representatives who represent our interests. Again, the civil rights movement would explain fully how it worked in this case.

    And they are not ruling Joe; Just his business.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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