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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    I think few would discriminate against anyone.

    This is more a matter of principle over policy.

    I wouldn't want to lose any of my customers but that doesn't mean I like the idea of someone telling me who I need to do business with.
    We should govern transactions like this. I would pay you for providing service but I don't like the idea of the state telling me I have to or not. It should be my choice.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    We should govern transactions like this. I would pay you for providing service but I don't like the idea of the state telling me I have to or not. It should be my choice.
    I'm not really sure what you're saying here.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Congratz Pete... This doesn't happen very often, but you have really put my beliefs to the test with this one... DAMNED YOU!

    As much as I despise affirmative action, racial quotas and government imposed morality, I'm going to have to disagree with Stossel on this one and oppose the repeal of the public accommodations portion of the Civil Rights law.

    Although I agree that in almost all cases, if a business was legally allowed, and did choose to discriminate against certain groups of people today, there would be a hell of a financial price to pay for doing so, therefore most would never choose to do such a thing.... But then there are the exceptions... If we were to do that now, it would not only serve to damage race relations in America and further divided us all, but it would also give power back to organizations like the KKK and the Black Panthers, that's civil rights legislation had taken away. They would be able pressure or strong arm businesses in certain communities or towns into only catering to "their kind" and we would see a return to segregated communities. Can you imagine what inner city gangs would do if they knew that businesses in their neighborhoods could legally deny service to rival gangs of another race? They would turn certain communities into Blacks only, Latinos only, Asians only, or whites only neighborhoods and do so by threat of violence or destruction of property... All small businesses would have to comply of go out of business, and corporate chains would be forced to relocate, further damaging poor inner city areas.

    I'm sorry, but this is one government intrusion that must remain in effect in order to keep racism and racial violence at least somewhat in check.
    Good post.


    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm a little mixed on this issue. I used to take the hardliner libertarian stance where anybody should be able to discriminate for any reason, but I've come to recognize that I think our country is far better off with this law.

    I would like to make a clarification that it should only apply to businesses, not individuals.
    IE: Joe can refuse to hire ethnic lawn mowers for his house.
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    Joe's public restaurant, Joe's Burgers, can not discriminate against workers or patrons.
    Another good post.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    I think few would discriminate against anyone.

    This is more a matter of principle over policy.

    I wouldn't want to lose any of my customers but that doesn't mean I like the idea of someone telling me who I need to do business with.
    I suspect it would be relatively few as well, though maybe primarily concentrated in certain geographical pockets.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    We should govern transactions like this. I would pay you for providing service but I don't like the idea of the state telling me I have to or not. It should be my choice.
    I'm not really sure what you're saying here.
    Me neither.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    I haven’t followed this thread closely, but I have read several threads that don’t accurately describe how it was or how it could become if we rescinded the law as it is now. Here is an example: I was in Mississippi in ’68 where the signs were still posted. An example was at the Greyhound station with men’s and women’s rest rooms inside, the black out house out in back. So, was Greyhound doing what it wanted to do for its Black customers because of corporate standards? Also, the Black Airmen were regularly attacked off base with no Mississippi law enforcement action or follow up. Even the Law Enforcement business had freedom to do business with only those they wanted to.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Do we still have black-only universities?

    "Curves" is a nation-wide women-only gym... is that acceptable? Or, does that violate the 'equal' concept? (If there are men-only gyms out there, I am unaware of them)
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    I'm not really sure what you're saying here.
    I'm saying that there should be stuff that is enforced you enter a business place. One being that the food won't kill you . Another being that when you receive a service that you compensate the person that worked hard in order provide you the service, and last that when you walk in you can expect the same service as everyone else.

    You could technically not have laws requiring any of those things.....I'm sure for the most part they would happen without government interference. I'm also glad that instead of just expecting those things I can be certain.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Do we still have black-only universities?

    "Curves" is a nation-wide women-only gym... is that acceptable? Or, does that violate the 'equal' concept? (If there are men-only gyms out there, I am unaware of them)
    They aren't "black-only" universities. That are historical black colleges where tradition is the reason that the majority of applicants and students are black.

    As for curves...I believe associations that have memberships are covered differently than regular business. Hence Augusta not allowing women for a long time.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm saying that there should be stuff that is enforced you enter a business place. One being that the food won't kill you . Another being that when you receive a service that you compensate the person that worked hard in order provide you the service, and last that when you walk in you can expect the same service as everyone else.

    You could technically not have laws requiring any of those things.....I'm sure for the most part they would happen without government interference. I'm also glad that instead of just expecting those things I can be certain.
    I'm not sure why you're grouping laws forcing someone to do business against their will with laws forcing parties to honor a contract. I think if you're going to group these laws with others, shouldn't it be with pro-slavery laws?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Do we still have black-only universities?

    "Curves" is a nation-wide women-only gym... is that acceptable? Or, does that violate the 'equal' concept? (If there are men-only gyms out there, I am unaware of them)
    Those are excellent points and it makes me wonder how differently this topic would go if we weren't talking about liberal groups being discriminated against. I mean, does Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church congregation have the right to finish up a day of protesting against gay rights by being served in a gay owned restaurant? Should Sylvia's Harlem Restaurant be forced to hold a table for the Klu Klux Klan after a day of cross burning if they call to make a reservation?

    Mind you, I'm not talking about holding protests at either place. Just dinning like any other patron.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sorry your definition would cover all laws and as such silly.
    Not really. It would not cover, say, laws against theft, murder, or rape. So, no, not all laws.

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