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Do You Agree with John Stossel?

Should the public accommodations portion of the law be repealed?

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Federalist said:
Yes I am aware that this is the case. My question to you is why/how does a large group of people acquire legitimate authority over others.
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Seems rather obvious. Through our political process.
 
Geoist said:
People discriminate every day. And yet it is not illegal. Libertarians just treat the issue for private businesses the same way we ALL treat the issue for individuals. Now, I will say that this should not even be an issue for discussion. There are a lot of pressing issues, and not allowing businesses to discriminate is not one of them.
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Some forms are. Some aren't. The blanket approach in the form of excusing any form is a foolish one.
 
Boo Radley said:
Oh please, they don't have to hang out and be bet buds with any customers. Just do business. Why must there be all tis exaggeration?
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Doing business without someone is what I was talking about in part.
 
Lord of Planar said:
There is nothing fake about my words. While dating this black girl, I was exposed to prejudices I've never seen from whites.
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Sure. But we're speaking about racism, the ability to abuse a race inherent in the system.
 
iguanaman said:
You said people were being forced and no one is. You can do a lot of things and still be a racist. Just not a business that serves the public.
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I'm not really open to humoring this foolishness. Your argument is that one must not start a business as they desire if they don't want to have their rights violated. There is no reason to assume for a moment to accept your argument as it makes them either decide against their wishes or accept aggression.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Libertarianism = freedom for businesses ... not freedom for individuals.
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No one has a right to enter peoples property against their wishes
No one has a right to force others to do them a service.

So I'm not sure what you're referring.



Jim Crow segregation laws were as aggressively against individual freedom as any law could be.
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No libertarian in this thread spoke in favor of Jim Crow laws.

Libertarians show their true identity when they favor the repeal of the CRA.
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Who said anything about the repeal of the CRA? We are talking about two titles in the law, not the entire law.
 
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Henrin said:
Of course you don't. The authoritarians never do.
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Nonsense. You have to actually she someone abused. Having more customers is hardly abuse.
 
a351 said:
Some forms are. Some aren't. The blanket approach in the form of excusing any form is a foolish one.
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Any form that does not directly harm individuals should be legal in an ideal world. But as I stated, I don't think Paul and Stossel should even be taking on this issue.
 
Boo Radley said:
Nonsense. You have to actually she someone abused. Having more customers is hardly abuse.
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Are you purposely ignoring the desires of the business to associate with who they wish? Why does it even matter if your actions cause them to have more customers to the point at hand that you're actively violating their rights?
 
a351 said:
I was referring more broadly to society and the legal system.
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Society in general does not tolerate discrimination in the 21st century. Societal pressures are enough to keep such scumbags out of business.
 
Henrin said:
Are you purposely ignoring the desires of the business to associate with who they wish? Why does it even matter if your actions cause them to have more customers to the point at hand that you're actively violating their rights?
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Again, they don't have to hang out be friends. So association isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about not discriminating due to race.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, they don't have to hang out be friends. So association isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about not discriminating due to race.
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Doing business with someone is associating with that person. If someone is forced to do business with someone they do not desire to business with by government force the government is violating that persons right to association.
 
Henrin said:
Doing business with someone is associating with that person. If someone is forced to do business with someone they do not desire to business with by government force the government is violating that persons right to association.
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No, it's selling a product or service, not associating. To do that, you might make a case fir going into business with, but no law says you have to do that. There is no real violation here. It's an exaggeration to try and paint it that way.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, it's selling a product or service, not associating. To do that, you might make a case fir going into business with, but no law says you have to do that. There is no real violation here. It's an exaggeration to try and paint it that way.
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To do business with someone what must I do? Associate with that person. :doh

Yes, I'm just going to take his order for breakfast and I'm not going to associate with him. Are you serious?
 
Henrin said:
So I got his order how? :doh
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The waitress took it, who likely didn't mind.


1 : to join as a partner, friend, or companion

2 : (obsolete) to keep company with : attend

3: to join or connect together : combine
 
Boo Radley said:
The waitress took it, who likely didn't mind.
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Ah..so we are assuming a condition then? How very nice.

1 : to join as a partner, friend, or companion

2 : (obsolete) to keep company with : attend

3: to join or connect together : combine
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What is that for?
 
Henrin said:
A business can be many things and so then can the interactions between the business and the consumer.
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Can be, but fundamentally it is just selling and buying. No one has to be friends or associate.
 
Boo Radley said:
Can be, but fundamentally it is just selling and buying. No one has to be friends or associate.
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Almost every time a transaction takes place someone is associating with someone else.
 
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