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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which means Joe's Diner is a business, and not just Joe.
    As I said, I don't object to restrictions on the actions of Joe's diner. I object to restrictions on the actions of Joe. Joe should be able to freely engage in trade on his own property.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    As I said, I don't object to restrictions on the actions of Joe's diner. I object to restrictions on the actions of Joe. Joe should be able to freely engage in trade on his own property.
    But Joe's Diner, a business owned by Joe, must follow the laws. So Joe can't discriminate at Joe's Diner.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But Joe's Diner, a business owned by Joe, must follow the laws. So Joe can't discriminate at Joe's Diner.
    I don't care what restrictions are placed on the diner, but I thought we agreed that Joe may freely engage in trade on his own property. Now you're saying you want to restrict Joe's ability to freely trade?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I don't care what restrictions are placed on the diner, but I thought we agreed that Joe may freely engage in trade on his own property. Now you're saying you want to restrict Joe's ability to freely trade?
    Restrict the business. Joel's Diner is a business. The business can't discriminate.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Restrict the business. Joel's Diner is a business. The business can't discriminate.
    I don't care if you want to restrict the actions of a business. (In fact, I have never seen a business act, so I don't see what such restriction accomplish.) However, I object to using force to restrict the actions of people. Joe has the right to freely engage in trade on his own property does he not?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I don't care if you want to restrict the actions of a business. (In fact, I have never seen a business act, so I don't see what such restriction accomplish.) However, I object to using force to restrict the actions of people. Joe has the right to freely engage in trade on his own property does he not?
    You restrict it by restricting how it operates. It's how this works. Joe can do in his personal life what he wants. His business must comply to all kinds of laws,including non discrimination.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You restrict it by restricting how it operates. It's how this works. Joe can do in his personal life what he wants. His business must comply to all kinds of laws,including non discrimination.
    I am fine with you restricting how the business operates. Make it comply with whatever restrictions you wish, and if it disobeys, put put it in jail.

    However, I do object to restricting Joe's ability to freely engage in trade on his own property. As I said, I am concerned with restrictions on the actions of actual people.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I am fine with you restricting how the business operates. Make it comply with whatever restrictions you wish, and if it disobeys, put put it in jail.

    However, I do object to restricting Joe's ability to freely engage in trade on his own property. As I said, I am concerned with restrictions on the actions of actual people.
    I don't at his home, his lake view cabin, or any other property. His business, however, is not him. It's his business. It must comply.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't at his home, his lake view cabin, or any other property. His business, however, is not him. It's his business. It must comply.
    I don't care what you do to his business. However, I am very concerned if you initiate violence against Joe himself to restrict his ability to freely engage in trade on his own property.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I don't care what you do to his business. However, I am very concerned if you initiate violence against Joe himself to restrict his ability to freely engage in trade on his own property.
    Again, Joe's Diner isn't joe. Everything that goes on there isn't him. It's the business. Don't act like you don't understand this point. We we say Joe's business can't discriminate, we know Joe owns the business. But Joe is not the business.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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