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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    He tried pulling that stunt, again, in this thread and I kept sending him back to the other one.


    Not counting the incessant rambling quotes from The Gods, which for some reason seems to have more precedence than the written word.
    The absolute nerve of some people making claims and then not being able to back them up. It is the worst sort of intellectual fraud.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    still living in denial.....even after i posted pics of the actual document ratified with the preamble on them.

    which by the way you wanted to see, and when i produced them you stated, well the preamble is not part of the ratified bill......
    You posted pics of the message from Congress that was sent to the states.

    You really do not have a clue do you?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. Only in the mind of the bigot.

    One of the silliest arguments one can make is to pretend that if someone believes that another individual has the right to do something, that person must also advocate or support such action.



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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You posted pics of the message from Congress that was sent to the states.

    You really do not have a clue do you?

    message?..message?.......the actual bill of rights was not sent to each state to be ratified, even you should know that, copies were made of the bill of rights and sent out to the states to ratify it, i produced states copies, by posting to you pics, of those copies......and you tell me messages.......

    thanks that my first laugh today!

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The absolute nerve of some people making claims and then not being able to back them up. It is the worst sort of intellectual fraud.

    i know its hard , "but the truth will set you free"

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    message?..message?.......the actual bill of rights was not sent to each state to be ratified, even you should know that, copies were made of the bill of rights and sent out to the states to ratify it, i produced states copies, by posting to you pics, of those copies......and you tell me messages.......

    thanks that my first laugh today!
    Nice strawman of your own invention. Okay - I am lying... its not a nice strawman but a really pathetic one. I never said the original was sent to the states. You are making a fool of yourself.

    Why can't you simply post verifiable evidence that the Preamble to the Bill of Rights was ratified by the necessary number of states?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nice strawman of your own invention. Okay - I am lying... its not a nice strawman but a really pathetic one. I never said the original was sent to the states. You are making a fool of yourself.

    Why can't you simply post verifiable evidence that the Preamble to the Bill of Rights was ratified by the necessary number of states?
    haymarket;1062006216]You posted pics of the message from Congress that was sent to the states.

    You really do not have a clue do you?
    posted pics of the message?...message?

    i posted clearly the pics of the actual copies that were used my the states to rarity the bill of rights, and everyone of those pics has the preamble on them...here they are again.

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Delaware.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    http://archives.delaware.gov/bor/bil...ights_lg.shtml

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Texas.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    texas picture copy of the federal bill of rights - Bing Images

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Rhode Island.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    http://www.revolutionary-war-and-bey...tion-large.jpg

    other states copies of the federal bill of rights can be found on line, and they state the clauses are declaratory and restrictive clauses also.

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    these pics of the copies of the bill of rights were send to each of these states for ratification, and each bares the preamble on them, none are without it.

    to try to say the preamble is not part of the of the bills of rights is ridiculous, as say the preamble to the constitution is not part of the constitution.

    sent out messages?............please!

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    posted pics of the message?...message?

    i posted clearly the pics of the actual copies that were used my the states to rarity the bill of rights, and everyone of those pics has the preamble on them...here they are again.
    States ratify language.

    Show us the verifiable evidence that the needed number of states ratified the Preamble of the Bill of Rights.

    That picture of the action of Congress IS NOT IT. That picture is the COMPLETE work of Congress that was submitted to the States. Congress only voted to ratify PART of what Congress sent them and the Preamble was NOT part of what they ratified. That picture is NOT what was ratified.

    Why are you impotent to present this evidence you claim exists?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    States ratify language.

    Show us the verifiable evidence that the needed number of states ratified the Preamble of the Bill of Rights.

    That picture of the action of Congress IS NOT IT. That picture is the COMPLETE work of Congress that was submitted to the States. Congress only voted to ratify PART of what Congress sent them and the Preamble was NOT part of what they ratified. That picture is NOT what was ratified.

    Why are you impotent to present this evidence you claim exists?

    you are losing credibility every time you post on this subject.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    james madison--father of the u.s. constitution and creator of the bill of rights

    In pursuance of the wishes thus expressed, the first Congress that assembled under the Constitution proposed certain amendments, which have since, by the necessary ratifications, been made a part of it; among which amendments is the article containing, among other prohibitions on the Congress, an express declaration that they should make no law abridging the freedom of the press.

    Without tracing farther the evidence on this subject, it would seem scarcely possible to doubt that no power whatever over the press was supposed to be delegated by the Constitution, as it originally stood, and that the amendment was intended as a positive and absolute reservation of it.

    But the evidence is still stronger. The proposition of amendments made by Congress is introduced in the following terms:

    "The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstructions or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added; and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institutions."

    Here is the most satisfactory and authentic proof that the several amendments proposed were to be considered as either declaratory or restrictive, and, whether the one or the other as corresponding with the desire expressed by a number of the States, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government.

    Here is an express and solemn declaration by the Convention of the State, that they ratified the Constitution in the sense that no right of any denomination can be cancelled, abridged, restrained, or modified, by the Government of the United States, or any part of it, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution; and in the sense, particularly, "that among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and freedom of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained, or modified, by any authority of the United States."

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