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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    only when it comes to reading libertarianese.
    Yeah, it's really not English, per se!
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yeah, it's really not English, per se!
    You got that right.

    Its that libertarianese nonsense that they learn to speak in because if they came right out and used normal English it would sound so incredibly stupid that they could never seduce and entice the possible targets of their extremist ideological missionary work.

    Nobody except right wing libertarian true believers talks like that.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, do you support the EPA,NLRB, HUD, DEPT EDUCATION, to name a few....becuase they are all unconstitutional.
    I am sure you are honest and trustworthy but could you please provide me with a verifiable link just so I know that all these things have been declared by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional and its just not you saying something which is not supported by factual reality?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really, then i will ask a question of you, ..so you can find understanding.

    can the people of the u.s. create a right to food?....which is a commodity

    now according to you , they can, becuase you say people make there own rights.......so can they?
    I see nothing in the US Constitution which would stop that amendment process. Article V is the final word on that and it says nothing about restrictions of that kind.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you seem to be losing track here, you said to me, and laughed, "why am i using u.s. code", and i told you its the law currently, becuase you stated a business is not a person, but the code says it is......so please keep up with me.
    You don't read very much law, contracts, or anything else of that sort, do you?


    Almost all complex laws and legal documents have a definitions section to show specific meanings for the given words in that section of the law or in that contract. This is standard practice used every day in a wide variety of legal documents both public and private. The specific definitions listed in those documents only apply to the documents in question. They do not apply to the world at large or ever the legal system at large, they are very specific to that document, which is why they are defined.

    As such, until such time as we start discussing the specific laws as spelled out in Title 29, Subsection II, "National Labor Relations Board", your quoted definition from that section is invalid. If I honesty thought I you knew what you were doing by quoting it - and then insisting on it as well - I would also say you are being dishonest. But for now I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was an honest mistake on your part.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    animals dont have rights per the constitution, however states can make laws re-guarding animals, in other words its not a federal duty.

    "the federal government duties are few and defined, were as the states are vast"
    Regardless of what laws are made for animals or how similar they are to laws for persons, animals are still not persons and neither are businesses.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    actually i do, <snip>
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    this

    What is the crime of trading?
    The "crime" is trading without a permission slip.

    What is a permission slip?
    A document that shows permission has been granted.

    What does any of that nonsense have to do with having a victim or not?
    Crimes have victims, no? So who are the victims?

    Again, just talk like a normal person for heavens sake.

    I googled CRIME OF TRADING and PERMISSION SLIP and got nothing helpful to explain this Von Mises Institute double talk. It was all about insider trading and needing mommies and daddies signature to go somewhere if I am a kiddie.

    So the problem is in your terminology.
    It's possible the problem is in your comprehension.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The "crime" is trading without a permission slip.



    A document that shows permission has been granted.



    Crimes have victims, no? So who are the victims?



    It's possible the problem is in your comprehension.
    A few days ago you recommended to me that I google for information. I wonder why your source does NOT recognize your jargon in using these whacko terms? And a greater wonder is why when you even pretend to explain it you still cannot do so?

    Like I said - I do not speak Libertarianese. And I was forced to burn my copy of Translating Libertarianese Into Common English when it started to make some really evil moaning sounds on its own power.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I see nothing in the US Constitution which would stop that amendment process. Article V is the final word on that and it says nothing about restrictions of that kind.

    why have not such a right have already been created since you say the people make their own rights..

    south africa has a constitution, which the people creats their own rights, how come america has not made any in its history?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    why have not such a right have already been created since you say the people make their own rights..
    I already answered your question. I have no idea why something which has not happened has not yet happened. I really do not do well in that sort of Twilight Zone fantasyland territory and prefer to stick with reality.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's like saying no one is safer on the roads just because everyone has to carry a little plastic card with them when they drive.

    It's the actions and requirements behind the piece of paper on the wall of a business or the little plastic card in the driver's pocket that makes the difference. You know that as well as I do.
    Property owners have a right to place conditions on access to their property. It is perfectly reasonable that road owners might require that those using their roads show evidence of, say, competency.

    However, I don't see how this relates to a law that makes it a "crime" to trade on one's own property unless one has permission.

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