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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes you have told me before, you believe people make their own rights.......

    tell me, how is it that if they do we dont have commodity rights then.
    I looked up COMMODITY RIGHTS and nothing came up. What is it you are talking about?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Those "rights" are all dreamed up by men.


    Any right beyond the "right" to try to survive and the "right" to try to procreate is man-made.


    Some people say God. Some say the devil. I think it's just physics.


    There is no authority at all without other people to recognize it as such.


    Protect what? You constantly talk of these - as far as I've seen - virtually non-existent property rights. Where are they?


    Bend over and pick up a rock or reach up and break off a stick. You now have a weapon. If nothing else, there are some very good books in the library and public parks to practice martial arts. You have no right to a weapon. If you manage to somehow acquire a weapon legally you have the right to keep it and carry it, as per the 2nd Amendment. We've already established that if you manage to somehow acquire property, that property cannot be taken from you without due process, which I believe would also apply to a weapon.


    I've seen many, many, many libertarians and conservatives tell me people have no right to a home. Don't go against the Party Line now, especially in that slippery slope area. They might kick you out of the club! LOL!

    so sad, what the american education system teaches today.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    National air traffic control is obviously not an intrastate endeavour. Quit being silly.
    Pollution remains an interstate endeavor, as pointed out by the conservative Chicago Tribune. They detailed Indiana's abuse of state's wrongs with their Whiting BP Refinery being allowed to dump 18 times the federal Mercury level into Lake Michigan. There is a reason why Keystone is being rerouted.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    OF COARSE, YOU CANT DUMP AND DESTROY OTHERS PROPERTY.
    Then why would you even bother to consider such an insane position?


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again does the federal government have authority over the land, water and air of a state ...no.... every state is sovereign..to say otherwise is to say we have a national government, and we dont ....its a federal one, a separation of powers.
    <snip - not law, just preaching>
    the federal government is supposed to be the arbitrator of problems between states, not the ruler of states.
    Again, I suggest you review the EPA and the history of pollution in this country.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I looked up COMMODITY RIGHTS and nothing came up. What is it you are talking about?
    commodity rights would be ...rights which would give, grant you you material goods of services.

    South Africa is a good place to start ,in there constitution people are given a right to food, water, and housing, these are commodities that must be paid for.

    becuase SA is a democracy the people can create such rights to those material goods, however in america a constitutional republic, not a democracy... its unconstitutional to create such a thing in our constitution, why?

    becuase to grant of give a person a material good or serve means, that right would lay a cost or burden of labor on to another citizen, and our system of government declares no one can be made to serve another citizens his money.. time or labor.

    this is why people cannot create there own right, becuase if they could, people would grants themselves anything they desired.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    commodity rights would be ...rights which would give, grant you you material goods of services.

    South Africa is a good place to start ,in there constitution people are given a right to food, water, and housing, these are commodities that must be paid for.

    becuase SA is a democracy the people can create such rights to those material goods, however in america a constitutional republic, not a democracy... its unconstitutional to create such a thing in our constitution, why?

    becuase to grant of give a person a material good or serve means, that right would lay a cost or burden of labor on to another citizen, and our system of government declares no one can be made to serve another citizens his money.. time or labor.

    this is why people cannot create there own right, becuase if they could, people would grants themselves anything they desired.
    I really have no idea what you are talking about because we do not have such things in our Constitution.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well if everyone feels as you do, then it would be so easy then to get a amendment to the constitution to give government that power.........why dont they follow the Constitution?
    That is your favorite line. There will never be another amendment and you know why. Btw, should we have called out the individual Air Forces of the several states?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so sad, what the american education system teaches today.
    Actually the poster seems to have earned an A plus and learned his lessons very well.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then why would you even bother to consider such an insane position?
    i stated to you before dumping and polluting is a crime, of state power, you can have your rights deprived.


    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Again, I suggest you review the EPA and the history of pollution in this country.
    there is no duty which defers to air, water and ground control in our constitution.... becuase we have a federal government not a national one.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your saying the government has the power, to control the sky over a state?
    As far as air traffic it pretty much does, yes. I believe the lower limit is 500' when it's not near an airport, then it depends on where it is in relation to the airport. I could be wrong on that 500' - my pilot friend died many years ago.
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