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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    If a person commits the "crime" of trading without a permission slip, who is the victim?
    What does than mean in common everyday English?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I've repeatedly shown how people and other businesses can be damaged by unlicensed businesses. You just haven't been paying attention.
    Your examples are not convincing. You fail to show how not having a piece of paper harms anyone. Actions harm people, not being without a piece of paper.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no.... natural rights, are rights natural to the body.
    Natural rights are a fiction. They do not exist.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What does than mean in common everyday English?
    Are you illiterate?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Are you illiterate?
    only when it comes to reading libertarianese.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The National Labor Relations Board has nothing to do with this discussion so the definition used for that subsection is useless to you as a rebuttal for the claim that businesses are persons. You're the one that looks silly, here.
    you seem to be losing track here, you said to me, and laughed, "why am i using u.s. code", and i told you its the law currently, becuase you stated a business is not a person, but the code says it is......so please keep up with me.


    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Animals are treated as people with respect to some laws. For example, you can't torture certain animals. Does that make them persons now?
    animals dont have rights per the constitution, however states can make laws re-guarding animals, in other words its not a federal duty.

    "the federal government duties are few and defined, were as the states are vast"

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And all you have are those libertarian ideals to back up the erroneous claims you've made in this thread. In other words, you really have nothing.
    actually i do, you see i have what is written on paper for everyone to see, its call the constitution, the supreme law of the land, and government doing anything outside of its delegated powers is unconstitutional, as the founders say, if government wants more powers , they have to get an amendment and approval of the states, becuase that increase of power, would be taking away a state power.

    federal laws and state laws which infringe on the rights of people who have committed no crime, or who have not created a health or safety issue is unconstitutional, becuase the constitution only places limits on governments..never people or business.

    please i ask you go to the libertarian platform and read it, ..its based on freedom liberty, and limited government....what harm can i do just to read it.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    National air traffic control is obviously not an intrastate endeavour. Quit being silly.
    Especially with such happenings as the skyjackings on 9/11.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Natural rights are a fiction. They do not exist.
    yes you have told me before, you believe people make their own rights.......

    tell me, how is it that if they do we dont have commodity rights then.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Especially with such happenings as the skyjackings on 9/11.

    well if everyone feels as you do, then it would be so easy then to get a amendment to the constitution to give government that power.........why dont they follow the Constitution?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no.... natural rights, are rights natural to the body.

    its natural to :
    speak
    worship
    assemble
    be secure
    in ones property/person.
    Those "rights" are all dreamed up by men.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution does not grant or give any right, you will not see those words.

    most man made rights are rights to commodities, providing the people with something, which own constitution does not do.
    Any right beyond the "right" to try to survive and the "right" to try to procreate is man-made.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    who controls you, make decisions for you.........you!
    Some people say God. Some say the devil. I think it's just physics.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    who has authority over you?.............theres no authority in any constitution, that's gives government any authority, so it must be ...you!
    There is no authority at all without other people to recognize it as such.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    government is here to secure my rights, they dont give me power or the ability to own property, they protect it when its under assault.
    Protect what? You constantly talk of these - as far as I've seen - virtually non-existent property rights. Where are they?


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if i dont have the right to property, then i cannot protect myself with a weapon,

    if i have no right to property meaning a home some place to live, then where i stand i have no authority.
    Your body itself is a weapon. There are some very good books in the library and public parks to practice martial arts to increase the power of that weapon. Bend over and pick up a rock or reach up and break off a stick. You now have another weapon. There is no right to a weapon beyond those simple things (and in your world even the rock and stick are most likely not yours). If you manage to somehow acquire another kind of weapon legally you have the right to keep it and carry it, as per the 2nd Amendment. We've already established that if you manage to somehow acquire property, that property cannot be taken from you without due process, which I believe would also apply to a weapon.


    I've seen many, many, many libertarians and conservatives tell me people have no right to a home. Don't go against the Party Line now, especially in that slippery slope area. They might kick you out of the club! LOL!
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