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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The only "natural" rights, of you want to call them that, are the right to try to survive and the right to try to procreate. Everything else is pretty much man-made.
    sorry no.... natural rights, are rights natural to the body.

    its natural to :
    speak
    worship
    assemble
    be secure
    in ones property/person.

    the constitution does not grant or give any right, you will not see those words.

    most man made rights are rights to commodities, providing the people with something, which own constitution does not do.



    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    My body isn't property. You guys, I swear ...

    And, if we REALLY want to get philosophical here, I don't believe we have conscious free will, so that line of attack is useless with me.
    who controls you, make decisions for you.........you!

    who has authority over you?.............theres no authority in any constitution, that's gives government any authority, so it must be ...you!


    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Other than the obvious abilities power gives one, you are absolutely correct. Without others - that means government of one kind or another - who would recognize your ownership of anything?
    government is here to secure my rights, they dont give me power or the ability to own property, they protect it when its under assault.


    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So says one theory.
    There are many other theories out there.
    if i dont have the right to property, then i cannot protect myself with a weapon,

    if i have no right to property meaning a home some place to live, then where i stand i have no authority.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what to you think you are doing by telling me i have not a right to run my business according to my likes, or my right to association.<snip>
    Blah-blah-blah, blah, blah, blah. There, you like that better?

    You're repeating the same posts as before. Would you like me to link them so you can review our previous discussion down that road?


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you putting the cart before the horse.
    the federal government is here to solve disputes between states when problems occur.
    they are not given power to dictate to states, you shall not do!
    the EPA is not a constitutional duty, its not enumerated, ...therefore according to the 10th amendment its a state power.
    There will always be a dispute over pollution. That's a no-brainer for anyone. No one wants to drink polluted water or breath polluted air. Is that really what YOU want? Do YOU live downwind from an uncontrolled steel mill or coal power plant?

    The steel mills of Pennsylvania turned thousands of acres of forest east of them into stumps and barren wasteland. Industry around Lake Erie almost killed it from water pollution. it was worse than an open sewer because of all the toxins. You've seen the recent pictures from Beijing where they couldn't see a half mile from smog? LA used to look like that a good portion of the year. I guess you're just not old enough to know what life was like prior to the EPA. It didn't just pop up out of nowhere on some kind of mystical whim. We were killing ourselves and they system in place wasn't working to stop it. If you want to preserving the nation an abuse of power then you go right ahead. You can't sell it here because I've witnessed the changes.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Oh, good. Then you agree all the people upriver from us can no longer use the Missouri as their dumping ground! Excellent!
    OF COARSE, YOU CANT DUMP AND DESTROY OTHERS PROPERTY.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Being more realistic, what state in their right mind would allow anyone or anything out of state to put any kind of pollution in their air or water? That's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet. I suggest you do your homework with regards to the EPA before you start tripping over yourself.
    again does the federal government have authority over the land, water and air of a state ...no.... every state is sovereign..to say otherwise is to say we have a national government, and we dont ....its a federal one, a separation of powers.

    Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a federal, and not a national constitution.--- james madison federalist 39

    the federal government is supposed to be the arbitrator of problems between states, not the ruler of states.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    here is the constitution:

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;<snip>
    National air traffic control is obviously not an intrastate endeavour. Quit being silly.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Simple? By a guy twice his size?
    Tell us bad man, what would you have done?
    Really!?!?!?!?!? It looks to me that Schulz and Stossel were about the same height. Schultz may have outweighed him by a bit - but twice his size?!?!?!?!?!? Stossel was not a hobbit.

    What would I have done? If I had made a reputation preaching to the nation the dangers of lawsuits until it comes out of my rectum like a bad case of diarrhea after a bad burrito - I would have take the slap and moved on rather than prove to the world what a hypocritical jerk I was.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    National air traffic control is obviously not an intrastate endeavour. Quit being silly.
    so your saying the government has the power, to control the sky over a state?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well if you look at a thread in this section ,about returning senators appointment back to the states...i stated in there i would get rid of u.s. code 29 152....i just stated it to you it was law, i dont like it .........but its law......now it you want to discuss whether it legal or not that's another matter.

    so your only making yourself look silly, by your statement.
    The National Labor Relations Board has nothing to do with this discussion so the definition used for that subsection is useless to you as a rebuttal for the claim that businesses are persons. You're the one that looks silly, here.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well do you not see these entities being treated as people?..yes they are.
    Animals are treated as people with respect to some laws. For example, you can't torture certain animals. Does that make them persons now?


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    government can make code, however it must be within the constitution, and most of what government does is unconstitutional, becuase they are limited by said constitution to only 18 duties.../which is what makes me a libertarian
    And all you have are those libertarian ideals to back up the erroneous claims you've made in this thread. In other words, you really have nothing.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I should never have to be concerned that an airport, railway yard, or any other pollution source will be built anywhere near my property without the input of myself and the other people effected by it.

    You're still living in Fantasy Land and with every post you add to the long lost of reasons things are done the way they are instead of your way.
    But yet the same poster has no trouble living in a community with municipal zoning laws and enjoys the benefits of doing so. He could back up his hollow words by moving to a place without such restrictions that he pretends to hate and not support - but he does not.

    The same goes for enjoying the benfits of things built with the power of eminent domain. He uses those and enjoys the benefits of them.

    I have learned in life that do not listen so much to what people say about what they believe as its mostly empty self serving BS. Judge a man by his actions.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    We are not talking about pollution. We are talking about the "crime" of engaging in trade without a government-issued permission slip. You have not demonstrated how this "crime" does any damage to anyone's person or property.
    I've repeatedly shown how people and other businesses can be damaged by unlicensed businesses. You just haven't been paying attention.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    It's not a contract because it is not entered into voluntarily by all parties.
    It is called The Social Contract. And you give your consent to it everyday by freely living here, staying here and enjoying the very benefits you pretend to condemn. Of course, you can opt out of the social contract any time you want to. That is what the people who founded this country did. Of course, they were people of principle who actually backed up their proclamations of belief with actions that matched.
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