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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    DOI, AND THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF.

    YOUR FAVORITE AMENDMENT...

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    this says right here.... that life, which is right, liberty which is a right, and property which is a right, shall not be deprived without due process of law.
    It does NOT say property is a right. What it says is that if you happen to own property then you cannot be deprived of it without due process of law. Now THAT is the correct translation. It says nothing more than what I've written here.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    true, becuase the congress has not sought the proper roll of the constitution, to get legal power over them, by an amendment.
    It just doesn't get any better than this!

    You think air traffic control has nothing to do with interstate, even international!, commerce?!?


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    my homework, ....when did you?...get this idea the constitution was written to limit your actions?...and the rest of the people?
    Pollution is both a health and safety issue. Of all the people here I didn't expect you to argue that point. Did you and "Federalist" accidentally swap passwords or something?!?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What right to equality? You can not have a right to liberty and a right to equality and expect them to live in harmony.

    If you believe in simply the guidance of the state to declare what your rights are then it should be noted there is no right to equality even in law.
    I'm not sure how that's the case....if you could expand on that it would be greatly appreciated. What "rights" do you believe come from somewhere other than the state?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It does NOT say property is a right. What it says is that if you happen to own property then you cannot be deprived of it without due process of law. Now THAT is the correct translation. It says nothing more than what I've written here.

    are you kidding...........then what?????..is it saying cannot be deprived, unless due process of law............rights can only be deprived by due process....



    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You think air traffic control has nothing to do with interstate, even international!, commerce?!?
    really, show me where congress is given authority to regulate commerce inside a state per the constitution.?


    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Pollution is both a health and safety issue. Of all the people here I didn't expect you to argue that point. Did you and "Federalist" accidentally swap passwords or something?!?
    right and that is a state power,........ states duty is also to protect the people.

    the federal government was not given authority over the land of states..states are sovereign.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The business is his property and so of course it falls under individual rights.
    A business is a licensed entity with it's own rights and laws. It's not a person.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ummm..yeah. A place looking to attract yuppies is not going to be in a location that is desirable for a truck stop.
    You can't know that. Lots of good yuppie bars near the main roads out south, here. Plenty of room for trucks, freeway within a mile or so, etc, etc. Of course, that whole area isn't zoned for truck stops so the shopping malls and local businesses have no worries. Zoning laws cuts both ways, you know, businesses tend to benefit from them. A factory can't open up next door to a shopping mall or school.

    Well, unless you're in Texas! - and I feel damn sorry for every one of those kids
    ... but not so much for the dumb ass adults that let their community be built that way.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I didn't asked why the state exists. I asked if it actually solves that problem. Considering the state violates property rights more than anyone else, and considering the scandals surrounding the NSA, it doesn't seem like the state solves that problem at all. The state itself is a rule-breaker. If humans tend to be rule-breakers, what is to stop a state of humans from breaking the rules? Nothing really.
    So you take the stance that rule-breaking would decrease if the state did not exist? That somehow those humans that tend to be rule-breakers would break rules less if there was no structured system in place to seek recourse for rule breaking? That the state isn't perfect but some stateless society would be?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    A business is a licensed entity with it's own rights and laws. It's not a person.
    not true, read u.s. Code 29 152

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    A business is a licensed entity with it's own rights and laws. It's not a person.
    I never said business is a person. What I said is that business is the property of people.

    You can't know that. Lots of good yuppie bars near the main roads out south, here. Plenty of room for trucks, freeway within a mile or so, etc, etc. Of course, that whole area isn't zoned for truck stops so the shopping malls and local businesses have no worries. That zoning law thing cuts both ways, you know. A factory can't open up next door to a shopping mall or school.
    I just don't get it. Why would a yuppie bar want to be in that location?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In order to start a business I must sign a contract with the government that violates my rights. Are you saying people should not practice their right to start a business? That seems to defeat the purpose of a free society, don't you think?
    I'm not aware of any right to start a business.

    As far as you guys have shown, there's not even a (constitutional) right to property, though you have so far demonstrated that IF people own property it's can't be taken away from them without due process.

    PS
    Oh, and you've shown that Congress can dictate intellectual property rights.
    /PS



    Your ideas about what constitutes a free society and mine are obviously not the same, so why bother using that misleading phrase?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    is the EPA in the constitution .....no..then its a state power, anything not an enumerated power... is state power.
    Considering air and water aren't limited to one state, businesses that pollute in one state can sure as hell damage people in another state. And what laws cover those situations?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Your truck stop example resulted in no damage to anyone's person or property. There WERE no victims.
    You here I thought you just agreed pollution has victims.

    Make up your mind!
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