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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How is it not?
    It violates the contract under which the property was obtained.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It violates the contract under which the property was obtained.
    What contract? Was this contract perhaps put in place with these conditions so it can be controlled?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    They have since been labeled "intellectual property" but that's only because of the laws Congress established. It says nothing about those rights specifically, other than Congress can - not must - establish them, nor does it call refer to them "property".
    According to the founders and even Locke himself what is protected under the copyright clause is property.

    Have you now conceded that Congress can, indeed, dictate property laws based on that clause?
    I don't believe in intellectual property, so no.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    If a person commits the "crime" of trading without a permission slip, who is the victim? And in what way was the victim's person or property damaged?
    We're not talking about a person. We're talking about a business.


    Business licenses are required for a wide variety of reasons, most of which have already been mentioned in this thread. Certainly someone opening up a truck stop across the street from my quiet, sidewalk cafe will put me out of business. That's why we have zoning laws and business licenses.


    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Or, the law could be changed to repeal the law prohibiting the victimless crime. That's what I propose.
    All laws can be changed one way or another, even the Constitution. As far as I know, the only exception to that is Senators per State.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We're not talking about a person. We're talking about a business.
    Same thing really.

    Business licenses are required for a wide variety of reasons, most of which have already been mentioned in this thread. Certainly someone opening up a truck stop across the street from my quiet, sidewalk cafe will put me out of business. That's why we have zoning laws and business licenses.
    What post are these reasons given? Noise pollution isn't much of a reason, sorry.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We're not talking about a person. We're talking about a business.

    Business licenses are required for a wide variety of reasons, most of which have already been mentioned in this thread. Certainly someone opening up a truck stop across the street from my quiet, sidewalk cafe will put me out of business. That's why we have zoning laws and business licenses.
    But who is the victim of the "crime" and what damage did the victim sustain to his person or property?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you said government does not violate property rights... yes they do!

    you did not read well..but no matter i will post it for you.

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.

    translation:

    this part of the constitution states that the federal government only has authority within a 10 sq mile area of D.C. and only where states and the federal government agree where needful buildings are to be built and used for the federal government, anything away from those areas, government has no authority, unless as i stated before piracy ,counterfeiting or treason is taking place.
    Your translation is bogus, as usual.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    we know very well the EPA, and other institutions of government have crossed on to state and private lands, without consent...these are property rights violations
    Only according to your bogus translations. The EPA and no doubt these "other institutions of government", too, operate under a different Section. You can look up the court cases themselves for that information, I'm not going to do your homework for you.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What contract? Was this contract perhaps put in place with these conditions so it can be controlled?
    It doesn't matter what you may believe about motivation. If you don't like the property and the laws that govern it then simply don't buy. No one is forcing such a transaction upon you.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It doesn't matter what you may believe about motivation. If you don't like the property and the laws that govern it then simply don't buy. No one is forcing such a transaction upon you.
    Yeah....

    The point was that the terms of the contract can very well be unjust. The fact is however this contract you speak of is only put in place so the government can control property. It really serves no other purpose at all.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    According to the founders and even Locke himself what is protected under the copyright clause is property.
    Then the founders should have called it property in the contract we call The Constitution. They didn't. But that's OK, Congress later covered their ass when it made the laws dealing with intellectual rights.
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