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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Individuals are being denied nothing. Business don't have the same rights as individuals.


    We're talking about businesses here, not your personal transactions and social groups.



    BTW - I think you'll find the Constitution is also technically statute law.
    yes, it is technically, it is organic law, or fundamental law...as is the DOI ,the articles of confederation, the northwest Ordinance

    An organic or fundamental law is a law or system of laws which forms the foundation of a government, corporation or other organization's body of rules. A constitution is a particular form of organic law for a sovereign state.

    The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code (2007) defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.

    the DOI being organic law, and the foundation of the constitution, that all rights are unalienable, and right property is there taking its place among the wording of that document.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    LOL! What right to property?!? LOL!
    just 1 example......OK i dont feel like listing a page full......according to the constitution, .....the federal government has no authority on private or state land, unless the state approves of it, or unless, piracy ,counterfeiting or treason is taking place.

    article 1 section 8 next to... last para....

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Once you open Ito the public, you change the relationship and are subject to different rules. Sorry, but this was a good and proper move. Courts agree.
    its unconstitutional.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I argue in favor of eliminating victimless crimes. I'm sorry if that annoys you.

    Making it a "crime" for someone to engage in trade without first acquiring a government-issued permission slip is a violation of his right to use his property. That's why I argue for the elimination of such laws, as well as all victimless crime laws.
    I don't like victimless crimes, either. It's too bad your example isn't one of them.


    Your anarchistic interpretation of property rights has no bearing here. All land is acquired under certain contractual obligations, commonly known as laws. If you don't like the obligations then don't buy the land. No one is ever forced to buy land or live where they don't want to live.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the DOI being organic law, and the foundation of the constitution, that all rights are unalienable, and right property is there taking its place among the wording of that document.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    just 1 example......OK i dont feel like listing a page full......according to the constitution, .....the federal government has no authority on private or state land, unless the state approves of it, or unless, piracy ,counterfeiting or treason is taking place.

    article 1 section 8 next to... last para....
    Article 1, Section 8 says nothing about individual or business property rights.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Article 1, Section 8 says nothing about individual or business property rights.
    copyright clause for one.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't like victimless crimes, either. It's too bad your example isn't one of them.
    How is it not?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't like victimless crimes, either. It's too bad your example isn't one of them.
    If a person commits the "crime" of trading without a permission slip, who is the victim? And in what way was the victim's person or property damaged?

    Your anarchistic interpretation of property rights has no bearing here. All land is acquired under certain contractual obligations know as laws. If you don't like the obligations then don't buy the land. No one is ever forced to buy land or live where they don't want to live.
    Or, the law could be changed to repeal the law prohibiting the victimless crime. That's what I propose.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Article 1, Section 8 says nothing about individual or business property rights.
    you said government does not violate property rights... yes they do!

    you did not read well..but no matter i will post it for you.

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.

    translation:

    this part of the constitution states that the federal government only has authority within a 10 sq mile area of D.C. and only where states and the federal government agree where needful buildings are to be built and used for the federal government, anything away from those areas, government has no authority, unless as i stated before piracy ,counterfeiting or treason is taking place.

    we know very well the EPA, and other institutions of government have crossed on to state and private lands, without consent...these are property rights violations

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    copyright clause for one.
    They have since been labeled "intellectual property" but that's only because of the laws Congress established. It says nothing about those rights specifically, other than Congress can - not must - establish them, nor does it refer to them as "property".

    Have you now conceded that Congress can, indeed, dictate property laws based on that clause?
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