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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really ?how i behave towards you..(being civil) determines if that transaction in going to take place.
    Only on the part of the one being civil. If they chose to put up with the abuse then what do you care? You'll still get your profit and you get to whine about it while you make your money.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this has got to be one of your most ridiculous post.

    all i can do is shake my head, and want to cry, at the school system, which has created this kind of thinking.
    I'm so hurt ... Boo-hoo!
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Businesses are made up of individuals. When someone says "businesses should or should not be able to discriminate" we are talking about the individuals who are running the business. Who else would we be talking about?
    I'm still pretty sure I don't need a license to exist, so whether you want to admit it or not there are obvious differences between a person and a business. At work I do what's best for the business even if that means I have to keep my personal opinions to myself. I may have to say McD's is the best! while I'm flipping their burgers - but that doesn't stop me from clocking out and going to Burger King as a person instead of a McD's employee.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    That's my point. You can't just open any type of business you want, say its "not OTTP" and then discriminate. That's what is being disputed.
    As far as the license goes, I haven't seen proof of that you can't open any non-OTTP business you want.

    In respect to zoning laws, it's a matter of where, not what type. You might be able to open a corner bar (even an OTTP bar) in your neighborhood but not be allowed to open one in the tourist district. That's a matter of city planning and has little to do with discrimination.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Defining "public" as "open to the public" is a tautology.
    I asked you who you thought was allowed to enter a government building or a post office. I'm sorry you don't like your own definition.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well ok direct me to a part of the constution which states I am wrong , federal laws don't override constutional.
    I have. Read the history of the civil rights movement. You'll find it.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I understand how the law evolved. But the fact that the law evolved doesn't mean it evolved in the right way, or that it can't evolve into something else. No need to get more general, since all I am taking issue with right now is laws preventing owners of property from refusing to let other people use or buy that property.
    Nor does it mean it evolved the wrong way. The fact is it corrected an actual wrong and not a pretend wrong, like poor bigots not being able to discriminate.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, it doesn't. This is what I asked...
    And that s exactly what the court case addresses.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have. Read the history of the civil rights movement. You'll find it.
    can you find civil rights in the constitution, ...no

    civil rights laws created by government do not override the rights of the people.
    Last edited by Master PO; 06-29-13 at 02:42 PM.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm still pretty sure I don't need a license to exist, so whether you want to admit it or not there are obvious differences between a person and a business. At work I do what's best for the business even if that means I have to keep my personal opinions to myself. I may have to say McD's is the best! while I'm flipping their burgers - but that doesn't stop me from clocking out and going to Burger King as a person instead of a McD's employee.
    Of course there are differences between a person and a business. A business is a type of organization formed by a person. But businesses do not have minds. They can not think. It is the persons behind the business that sets the policy, and it is the persons behind the business that would be discriminating. I find it very odd to have to explain this to someone.


    As far as the license goes, I haven't seen proof of that you can't open any non-OTTP business you want.
    You can't. Otherwise there would be no point of the law, no? All those racists businesses could just say "we aren't OTTP" and continue on exactly the same as always.

    In respect to zoning laws, it's a matter of where, not what type. You might be able to open a corner bar (even an OTTP bar) in your neighborhood but not be allowed to open one in the tourist district. That's a matter of city planning and has little to do with discrimination.
    Zoning laws are irrelevant to this discussion, which deals with public accommodation and discrimination laws.

    I asked you who you thought was allowed to enter a government building or a post office. I'm sorry you don't like your own definition.
    Anyone can enter a government building because government buildings are required to serve all citizens equally under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. That amendment does not apply to private property, hence the part that reads "under the law." Sorry, your example is irrelevant. We are talking about private property, not government property.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nor does it mean it evolved the wrong way. The fact is it corrected an actual wrong and not a pretend wrong, like poor bigots not being able to discriminate.
    Its not a pretend wrong. Its a violation of private property rights, plain and simple. If you want to argue against private property rights, go for it. Just be honest.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can you find civil rights in the constitution, ...no

    civil rights laws created by government do not override the rights of the people.
    It really doesn't matter. I believe the 14th sets the ground work for it, but we have laws beyond the Constitution, that function within it. History.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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