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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you're saying I added the "blah blah blah" etc I'll freely admit I did that because I have asked you more than once to take this topic back to the thread where we have already hashed it out in great detail. I have no intention of taking this up, again, in this thread and going through it all over and over, again. You can act indignant all you want but I started out asking nicely, then went neutral, and now I'm just tired of it.


    Further responses on your part about this subject will be met with this:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061879914

    If you want to resume that debate over their I'll be more than happy to do so.
    so its shows you can be dishonest then on this forum, by postings things which at false, and putting them forth as being said by the person.........OH FOR SHAME ON YOU MY FRIEND FOR BEING SO DISHONEST.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by mosurveyor View Post
    then you must have posted nothing.
    there was nothing to reply to its was more non sense.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I have nothing to what? refute because you agreed with me? LOL!


    In technical terms your post was unresponsive. I said we are a Republic, and I quoted you saying the exact same thing as some kind of seeming counter-argument, then you wandered off somewhere else. I'm not going to comment on all your random jumps in oration. If you want to preach do so, and I'll call it like I see it - preaching.
    well its a republic , with a republican form of government, ............not a democratic form of government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Sorry, the level of civility has nothing to do with your business transacting with someone.
    really ?how i behave towards you..(being civil) determines if that transaction in going to take place.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Even by your own limited views of law the 13th Amendment doesn't mean that just the government can't own slaves. It bars everyone from owning slaves.
    this has got to be one of your most ridiculous post.

    all i can do is shake my head, and want to cry, at the school system, which has created this kind of thinking.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I thought we were talking about businesses not individuals.
    Businesses are made up of individuals. When someone says "businesses should or should not be able to discriminate" we are talking about the individuals who are running the business. Who else would we be talking about?

    I think it's a lot more than just saying you're not OTTP. IIRC, the licenses are different and the zoning might be different as well, I don't know. City planners wouldn't have to allow or might limit private establishments in the downtown/tourist/entertainment districts, for example.
    That's my point. You can't just open any type of business you want, say its "not OTTP" and then discriminate. That's what is being disputed.

    You asked what I meant by the public. You're now answering that question because that's essentially what I mean by OTTP.
    Defining "public" as "open to the public" is a tautology.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    In principle I agree. In practice it is another matter.

    First, racist businesses will not go belly up. The racists that we know are out there in great numbers will put forth effort to keep those racist businesses alive. Wealthy racists will donate money from afar --having never set foot in the business they are donating to-- on the shared principle of racism. I believe this to be true.

    This will have a backlash. The more effort racists put forth to maintain a business, the more effort non-racists will put forth to make the business fail. In essence, an arms race. ahem.

    Repealing the public accommodation, will allow businesses to wear hatred on their sleeve. To brandish it. The American public boils over at the drop of a hat. The hat could be dropped in the Entertainment section for crying out loud, and the public will boil over forthwith. Allowing businesses to brandish their hatred will send us on a road to real, literal destruction of property and loss of life. People love bandwagons and love to crash them into the opposing bandwagon.

    I voted yes in the poll. I don't support it in real life.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so its shows you can be dishonest then on this forum, by postings things which at false, and putting them forth as being said by the person.........OH FOR SHAME ON YOU MY FRIEND FOR BEING SO DISHONEST.
    All quotes default to be cited, so anyone can check to see what was actually written. I'm sure you're the only one here that thought you actually wrote "blah blah blah", considering the reply in made below the quote.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    there was nothing to reply to its was more non sense.
    I agree, your question was nonsense since you already knew the answer.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well its a republic , with a republican form of government, ............not a democratic form of government.
    I never said it was a democracy. I said it was a republic.
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