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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But I keep telling you, don't stop there.
    well ok direct me to a part of the constution which states I am wrong , federal laws don't override constutional.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is if I'm trying to get you too how laws evolve. I've tried pointing directly to civil rights and specific court cases. I thought I'd try getting a little more general, as the specific was being paid attention to.
    I understand how the law evolved. But the fact that the law evolved doesn't mean it evolved in the right way, or that it can't evolve into something else. No need to get more general, since all I am taking issue with right now is laws preventing owners of property from refusing to let other people use or buy that property.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I understand how the law evolved. But the fact that the law evolved doesn't mean it evolved in the right way, or that it can't evolve into something else. No need to get more general, since all I am taking issue with right now is laws preventing owners of property from refusing to let other people use or buy that property.
    That's very clear to me, but he will not accept it ,because he has already stated with property ,comes a consensus of the people on how to use it.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes it does, if you know it and understand it.
    No, it doesn't. This is what I asked...

    So why must someone meet your needs to have food or lodging? Both of those seem very much like personal issues that you need to resolve on your own or find willing members of society to give you.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    That doesn't answer the question. I asked you why and you basically just said "because." Why should one person in an exchange be held to different standards than the other?
    I thought we were talking about businesses not individuals.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    It is. Otherwise all of the racist stores when public accommodations law passed would have just said they weren't public accommodations. Literally nothing would have changed, and the law would be utterly useless.
    I think it's a lot more than just saying you're not OTTP. IIRC, the licenses are different and the zoning might be different as well, I don't know. City planners wouldn't have to allow or might limit private establishments in the downtown/tourist/entertainment districts, for example.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The distinction between government and private property owners has been made several times by multiple posters in this thread. The government cannot discriminate. It must serve all citizens equally, by nature of being the government of the citizens. That is what equality under the law means. Private property owners owe no such thing to anyone. They should be able to allow anyone who they want on their property. Otherwise, it is not truly their property.
    You asked what I meant by the public. You're now answering that question because that's essentially what I mean by OTTP.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ok.. i clicked on those arrows and i didn't see that quote from myself.

    so you made this quote up yourself, and posted my name next to it...........

    so its a false quote..your sticking my name too!
    If you're saying I added the "blah blah blah" etc I'll freely admit I did that because I have asked you more than once to take this topic back to the thread where we have already hashed it out in great detail. I have no intention of taking this up, again, in this thread and going through it all over and over, again. You can act indignant all you want but I started out asking nicely, then went neutral, and now I'm just tired of it.


    Further responses on your part about this subject will be met with this:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061879914

    If you want to resume that debate over their I'll be more than happy to do so.
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 06-28-13 at 05:47 AM.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    terrible reply, becuase you have nothing.
    Then you must have posted nothing.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    terrible reply, becuase you have nothing
    I have nothing to what? refute because you agreed with me? LOL!


    In technical terms your post was unresponsive. I said we are a Republic, and I quoted you saying the exact same thing as some kind of seeming counter-argument, then you wandered off somewhere else. I'm not going to comment on all your random jumps in oration. If you want to preach do so, and I'll call it like I see it - preaching.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then being civil is also serving someone, and i dont have to be civil and serve people i dont wish to associate with
    Sorry, the level of civility has nothing to do with your business transacting with someone.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    where are the people addressed in the constitution which places limits on them!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution does not limit people at all!
    Even by your own limited views of law the 13th Amendment doesn't mean that just the government can't own slaves. It bars everyone from owning slaves.
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 06-28-13 at 06:10 AM.
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