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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If rights were protected from the start we wouldn't even need a government.
    I'll but the minarchist bait for a second ...

    Who exactly would do that?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh its not, then can you ... blah--blah--blah-blah-blah-blah
    Take it here and be sure to read the stuff we've already posted ...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061879914
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'll but the minarchist bait for a second ...

    Who exactly would do that?
    Do what?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    bad reply!
    you will also note, business that serve food, and drink are the ones with restrooms, a warehouse is not required to have restrooms for the public only its employees.
    pawn shops for example dont have to have restrooms.
    not all business have restrooms
    well its late, and wife is calling..nite all!
    No it's not. I mentioned earlier that different businesses had different requirements, few of which I have to meet as a person. I used a restaurant as an example. You want more examples - there are plenty available - or would you just prefer to cede that that's already been mentioned and move on?

    For example - a warehouse is required to have a certain amount of airflow to use propane forklifts but I can run almost any kind of propane device I want under almost any conditions. I'm not required to have an 8" or equivalent concrete drive approach (that's the part on the public R/W) for vehicle entrance and exit.


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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is not what he said at all.
    That's the way many philosophers interpret it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I already went over that.
    I want back and looked and all I found was a bunch of undocumented claims on your part - mostly minarchist propaganda.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The constitution of course.
    And just where are these alleged rights in the Constitution? I've only seen one reference - to the 14th - which wording seemed to imply you CAN own property (because if you happen to have property it can't be taken away from you "without due process of law") but that doesn't mean you have a right to own property, nor does it spell out what you may or may not do with said property if you happen to have it.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do what?
    Don't you know what you posted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If rights were protected from the start we wouldn't even need a government.
    I would assume from your post you're saying someone/something would be protecting rights "from the start". Isn't that what you were saying?
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Don't you know what you posted?

    I would assume from your post you're saying someone/something would be protecting rights "from the start". Isn't that what you were saying?
    I'm saying that if human rights were protected without the use of government the entire idea of government would have no reason to exist. That anarchy would be preferable if there was no ever violating the rights of others.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm saying that if human rights were protected without the use of government the entire idea of government would have no reason to exist. That anarchy would be preferable if there was no ever violating the rights of others.
    You should read some game theory. Seriously.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You should read some game theory. Seriously.
    I think when you consider what government is it becomes clear that if rights were protected outside of it's invention there would be purpose for it's existence. Why accept an organization that is the sole arbiter of force when there is no justification to do so? What benefit does such a move have for the individual or humanity as a whole?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think when you consider what government is it becomes clear that if rights were protected outside of it's invention there would be no purpose for it's existence. Why accept an organization that is the sole arbiter of force when there is no justification to do so? What benefit does such a move have for the individual or humanity as a whole?
    I assume you meant 'no' above?

    You really need to read game theory - especially how it applies to behavior and populations. That's usually covered under genetics / Darwinism but has been in use by several social scientists over the past decade or so as well. I think you'll find populations like you imagine are unstable. There's a reason there are few dens of anarchism in the world and that most of them are extremely poor and dangerous to live in.
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