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Thread: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Aside from the physical force you can use to claim something (whether others might consider it your property or not) the ONLY property rights that exist must come from a government or popular consensus of some type. If others don't recognize your claims, then you have none. This is a basic component of life for people living in tribes, whether it's in a pre-historic jungle/cave or modern Western country.
    If rights were protected from the start we wouldn't even need a government.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the whole document is a legal document,
    The Preamble to the BoR is not part of the legal document.

    You can take your further objections here where we spent page after page on this topic and you failed to prove evidence for your claim ...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061879914
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think Americans should stop talking about race SO much.

    There is only one race - the human race.

    Calling someone a different race just because they have more or less melanin in their skin is asinine.
    I'll grant you that!


    In fact, except for specific areas of study by geneticists, there is no such thing as race. The meaning the geneticist's use is much different than that in common use.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The Preamble to the BoR is not part of the legal document.

    You can take your further objections here where we spent page after page on this topic and you failed to prove evidence for your claim ...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061879914
    oh its not, then can you explain why the actual document that went to the state legislative floor of each state has the preamble on the document in question.

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Delaware.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.
    THE BILL OF RIGHTS

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Texas.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    texas picture copy of the federal bill of rights - Bing Images

    the link provided shows the COPY of the federal bill of rights, for the state of Rhode Island.

    it clearly states that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory or restrictive.

    http://www.revolutionary-war-and-bey...tion-large.jpg

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a business has rights as a person does, to prevent the abuses of government....if they had no rights government could steamroll over them and do as they like.

    business would be at government mercy, and government could force them to do anything government wanted.
    Sorry, but that's a no and you know it. States and even countries change business laws all the time.

    As a person, I do NOT have to provide anyone in my house the use of bathroom facilities. I do NOT have to make sure there are no bugs or rodents in my kitchen. There are many things as a person that I can do, and many things I am not required to do, that businesses can't do or are required to do to be a business.


    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when a business is licensed, it is for the purpose of preventing misrepresentation, to prevent fraud, to adhere to health and safety codes. to protect the people and property from harm.
    And many other things as well.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Sorry, but that's a no and you know it. States and even countries change business laws all the time.

    As a person, I do NOT have to provide anyone in my house the use of bathroom facilities. I do NOT have to make sure there are no bugs or rodents in my kitchen. There are many things as a person that I can do, and many things I am not required to do, that businesses can't do or are required to do to be a business.
    bad reply!

    you will also note, business that serve food, and drink are the ones with restrooms, a warehouse is not required to have restrooms for the public only its employees.

    pawn shops for example dont have to have restrooms.

    not all business have restrooms

    well its late, and wife is calling..nite all!

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Not moot, just not natural anymore. According to Locke all your "natural" property rights went out the window when we started using money because now you can own more than you can use, which is the "natural" limit on ownership.
    That is not what he said at all.

    Where does it say I have a right to property?
    I already went over that.

    And who or what, exactly, determines what those property rights are in the US? You? The Libertarians? The minarchist and anarchists?
    The constitution of course.

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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what have you not looked?, i have posted links to the actual documents (BOR ) that states ratified, and every one has the preamble in them.
    We've been there, done that, you were shown wrong or, at the very least, not shown right ...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061879914
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    next you going to tell me our nation has democratic government.
    We're a Republic but that doesn't change what I said.
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    Re: Do You Agree with John Stossel?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a business has rights, ..if it had no rights government could do anything to them, search there building for no reason, tell me how much to sell something for, determine fat content of all their food, they could not petition the government, ...which they can under u.s.code 29 152 and the 1st amendment.
    I never said it didn't have some kinds of rights but they sure aren't the same as an individual's rights.
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