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Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

Should the sadistic billionaire's offer be legal?


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I think your view on prostitution is severely biased. When the conditions are right, consensual sex does not cause or worsen illnesses or mental impairment. When prostitution is legal, it's even easier to control negative side effects such as illnesses, forced prostitution and human trafficking.

I agree that prostitution is ugly and disgusting, but I see no reason why it should be illegal. It's "mankind's oldest business" and always will be, criminalization will never make it go away, and legalization can minimize ugly problems such as violence and force around prostitution, and allows prostitutes to enjoy the same benefits other professions enjoy too, such as health control and work contracts.

Severely biased? Oh please explain that one.
 
So that doesn't throw a red flag up for you? Hey, here's this profession that pretty much only drug users and mentally unstable people get in to... where the women are 40 times more likely to kill themselves?

I don't know man. I think we should be helping these women, not enabling their demise. Most adults are capable of looking out for themselves, but there is a small percentage who need to be looked after. We can't just enable them to destroy themselves.

the drugs infested prostitution is that which is the most visible and most talked about and is tied to the explosive use of drugs in some countries (for example the US). Prostitution is much more than that kind of prostitution. The street kind should be stamped out because it is modern slavery to some level, people are misusing the need for drugs to enslave women into prostitution.

Some kinds of prostitution should be regulated IMHO, monthly health checks, mandatory condom use etc. etc. etc. If it is legal and regulated you can check into it and make sure people aren't forced into it or get into it for drugs use, so that you can help them and take away the reasons for their prostitution. Blindly making it illegal and jailing these women is not the answer IMHO.
 
the drugs infested prostitution is that which is the most visible and most talked about and is tied to the explosive use of drugs in some countries (for example the US). Prostitution is much more than that kind of prostitution. The street kind should be stamped out because it is modern slavery to some level, people are misusing the need for drugs to enslave women into prostitution.

Some kinds of prostitution should be regulated IMHO, monthly health checks, mandatory condom use etc. etc. etc. If it is legal and regulated you can check into it and make sure people aren't forced into it or get into it for drugs use, so that you can help them and take away the reasons for their prostitution. Blindly making it illegal and jailing these women is not the answer IMHO.

I don't think we should jail the women, I think we should jail the men.
 
Aren't you going to give us a post number at least. That thread is like 40 pages long, and I don't remember you posting any links in that thread.
Ask nicely and you shall receive...

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Chris, here's my response to all of that ...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/163005-should-prostitution-legal-9.html#post1061952480


To which I can now add that the first statistics about underage prostitution concentrated only on street kids, not the industry as a whole.
 
I will put it simpler - two consenting and sane individuals should be allowed to do ANYTHING they want to each other.

Hypothetically, if they want to slowly eat one another until they both die - assuming they are both sane and they both freely consent - then Bon appetit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sljSf7KVlQ
 
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Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.

That is in your opinion. Also it is their choice. You want to take away a choice just because you believe it to be immoral. Which is in itself immoral. In fact I consider it a bigger immorality than what you claim those other two are as you are imposing your beliefs on another. Would you do and argue the same for religion/atheism?
 
Evidence?

Shouldn't need evidence for common sense. Do you think that a child in an abusive home is going to be prone to psychological trauma? Or a woman being abused by her husband? Why would a john beating up a prostitute be any different? Because it's "sex"? Or is there some sort of psychological trauma that only comes from sex that I don't know about? *well...other than the trama men/women get when they go a long time with out it after having had it all the time that is.* :mrgreen:
 
Where on earth have you met these prostitutes? On the street? Everybody has issues with street prostitution. Most women who choose the life, become escorts. They aren't mistreated. They are well paid actresses.

This one is 43 (or more since they do lie).
Here's her rates
1 hour $450
2 hours $700
3 hours $1000

Here's her page Welcome to my virtual world

You think people push her around? Not a chance! I lived with an escort for 2 years and her customers were quite meek and well behaved.

I'm just baffled what is immoral about this. If the customer is married - he's the immoral one. If the customer, like me, isn't married, all thats happening is free trade, the essence of capitalism.

There is a difference between prostitution and escorts. hence the reason that the two are seperated by two completely different words. Prostitution usually happens in the streets or a brothel. Escorts happen in neither.
 
Actually it is illegal to sell your organs or anyone else's living or dead, consent or not. The only country where it is legal to buy and sell organs (trade) is Iran.

Link? I've never heard of such a law when it comes to an adult of sound mind consenting to it.
 
You made a lot of claims there, can you back them up with studies?

Well, there's only one that rises above the level of "mundanely obvious," barely. So I guess you mean that not all prostitutes are diseased?

Here's one that compares American to American (prostitution being legal in NV), which I think is the most helpful. STD rates in legal prostitutes in NV are dramatically lower than elsewhere in the US. In fact, they're dramatically lower than porn stars as well.

L.A. porn stars have more STDs than Nevada prostitutes - latimes.com

I'm actually not really sure what else I am supposed to prove.

You can read thousands of stories from prostitutes who enjoy their work on The Google. Obviously, it's hard to enjoy your work if you're an unwilling slave.

People do pay money for all those things. Do I need to find a practitioner for you?

Sending people to jail does not help them become financially stable, or personally empowered. This is... insanely obvious. And we can see that it hasn't worked, because prostitution is still common in places where it's illegal.
 
Consenting sex between two married people is biblically beautiful and so righteous that even god himself gets all teary-eyed over the prospect, yet remove the "married" part and all of a sudden consenting sex is dangerous, harmful, immoral, and SHOULD be illegal????????


The attempt at some kind of apples-to-apples analogy in the OP is pretty lame.
 
I don't think we should jail the women, I think we should jail the men.

I do not, there are far too many people in US jails to begin with. Throwing people who force women into prostitution is OK, throwing men who smuggle girls or who drug women to keep them working as prostitutes if fine too.

Throwing johns into jail for picking up girls by the side of the road is fine too, but call girls and brothels should be allowed to operate as long as they work with clean prostitutes who are not addicted to drugs and who are free of diseases.
 
Chris, here's my response to all of that ...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/163005-should-prostitution-legal-9.html#post1061952480


To which I can now add that the first statistics about underage prostitution concentrated only on street kids, not the industry as a whole.

Another thing is that he keeps mentioning children who were molested. Whether or not the industry is legal or illegal really has no bearing on whether or not someone was sexually assaulted as a child. Keeping prostitution illegal does not change those facts, and these women (or kids) are obviously still IN the industry even though it's illegal right now. So I don't understand the connection he is trying to make there. That damaged people might sell their bodies to make money? Okay, but keeping the industry illegal would certainly not change that sad fact.
 
Ask nicely and you shall receive...

A link would be nice, so that I don't have to rely on just your own cherry-picked data. If you don't mind. :mrgreen: Also, I see Canada being mentioned in there. Is this a Canadian or a US study? Just some of the reasons why I'd like a link to read the data on my own.
 
Another thing is that he keeps mentioning children who were molested. Whether or not the industry is legal or illegal really has no bearing on whether or not someone was sexually assaulted as a child. Keeping prostitution illegal does not change those facts, and these women (or kids) are obviously still IN the industry even though it's illegal right now. So I don't understand the connection he is trying to make there. That damaged people might sell their bodies to make money? Okay, but keeping the industry illegal would certainly not change that sad fact.
How true. That's what most people against legalized prostitution seem to miss. This is the way it is now and unless something changes it will continue to stay that way. So there are only two choices that I see. One: If you're truly against prostitution and believe it's not voluntary then you need to eliminate the need for people to become and remain prostitutes. However, usually, the same people saying prostitution is wrong are the ones whining about welfare and minimum wage laws. LOL! ;) The second option is to make it legal so it can be regulated and prostitutes can turn to the law to avoid abuse just like any other worker. That makes it safer for everyone and the community.
 
But should it be that way? Should we really be allowed to take advantage of each other in such a way? I think we need to acknowledge that certain people in society are more vulnerable than others, and offer them some sort of protection.


I think you are making the assumption that a person feels they were taken advantage of which may not be the case. With the money received they may have made for themselves a far better life then they otherwise would ever have had. They may be very happy with their decision.

I believe any two adults of sound mind should be allowed to do anything they wish as long as it does not harm others.
 
If she's drunk or high enough that she can't give consent anymore, then no, it's not okay.

Why would people want to sleep with someone who's drunk anyway, whether the person is a prostitute or not? Are people really that hard up? I try to avoid drunk people personally. I find them obnoxious and annoying, of if they're really drunk, just plain disgusting.
 
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?

Calm down Mr Grimm, we pay the military to harm itself. Albeit for a much more worthy cause. Well....maybe. :lol:
 
Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.

im·mor·al
/iˈmôrəl/Adjective
Not conforming to accepted standards of morality.

Yeah, so what? What would legislation against any of your immoral acts accomplish?
 
Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.

Well no one is saying you have to. But your definitions of morality cannot arbitrarily be held over everyone else. At base someone should be free to sell their eyes if they wanted to.
 
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