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Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

Should the sadistic billionaire's offer be legal?


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Well you missed and shot your own foot.

That's more what I would assume was the reality, from past experiences with Peter's arguments.
 
OK, suppose you're right. Then the question becomes.... why? Why do drug users choose prostitution as a profession, more than other people? Why do sufferers of psychological problems choose prostitution as a profession, more than other people?

What barrier exists that would cause most normal people to avoid prostitution, whereas drug users and the mentally ill do not?

The average woman simply does not go out and decide to become a prostitute.

Here is my answer: prostitution is demeaning. It kills self-esteem. If someone goes in to the profession, it kills their self-esteem. If they have no self-esteem to begin with (drug dealers or mentally ill), they have less of a problem resorting to prostitution.

Either way, the profession is destructive to the prostitute.

I am sorry, but are you really asking why drug users go into prostitution? Try money, drugs are not cheap. To get money for drugs scores of people go into crime (getting into dealing themselves or stealing and other crimes), beg money or go into prostitution.

People with low self esteem are preyed upon by ruthless criminals to force or entice them into prostitution. People with psychological problems often have low self esteem.

Poverty can also force people into prostitution.

And you are partly right, sometimes women just get into prostitution and for most it does kill their self-esteem but I think it is logical that people with dependency issues, child abuse (especially sexual), alcohol, broken homes, getting the wrong attention from men etc. etc. etc. can contribute or even cause people to go into prostitution. All the problems you state as the result of prostitution are often found prior to women going into prostitution to begin with.
 
I am sorry, but are you really asking why drug users go into prostitution? Try money, drugs are not cheap. To get money for drugs scores of people go into crime (getting into dealing themselves or stealing and other crimes), beg money or go into prostitution.

People with low self esteem are preyed upon by ruthless criminals to force or entice them into prostitution. People with psychological problems often have low self esteem.

Poverty can also force people into prostitution.

And you are partly right, sometimes women just get into prostitution and for most it does kill their self-esteem but I think it is logical that people with dependency issues, child abuse (especially sexual), alcohol, broken homes, getting the wrong attention from men etc. etc. etc. can contribute or even cause people to go into prostitution. All the problems you state as the result of prostitution are often found prior to women going into prostitution to begin with.

I know a woman here that I went to college with. She majored in accounting and got a job at reputable firm in a larger city. She came back to our home town several years ago in her early forties. The cat is out of the bag. Yeah she did some accounting work but she was actually a high end call girl that retired in her early 40's. Many here are only talking about street whores but there is much more to this business than some seem to know.
 
Again as in the other thread, why should it be illegal to sell anything you can give away for free?

I havent seen the other thread. But to answer your question: Its because just simply stating that it ought to be legal is a oversimplified position.

Prostitution for example can pose a big health issue if left alone. Selling body parts could become very corrupted to say the least. So at the very least there should be laws that regulate the trade of such things. Notice that I havent asserted a position that claims that complete prohibition of either practice out to be enforced. I have just been raising concerns with the concept of unfettered trade in either prostitution or organ trade. If there isnt any laws regulating such business then certainly someone will be exploited. ANd in both cases we are talking about the possibility of severe exploitation more so then most any other type of business interaction. Such a potential for corruption should be looked at quite closely in such topics.
 
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?

I'm fine with the billionaire paying people to have their eyes removed as long as they're able to give informed consent. If they're mentally ill, senile, or under the effects of drugs or alcohol, that's not okay, and I believe it would render any legal contract between them null and void anyway.
 
I havent seen the other thread. But to answer your question: Its because just simply stating that it ought to be legal is a oversimplified position.

Prostitution for example can pose a big health issue if left alone. Selling body parts could become very corrupted to say the least. So at the very least there should be laws that regulate the trade of such things. Notice that I havent asserted a position that claims that complete prohibition of either practice out to be enforced. I have just been raising concerns with the concept of unfettered trade in either prostitution or organ trade. If there isnt any laws regulating such business then certainly someone will be exploited. ANd in both cases we are talking about the possibility of severe exploitation more so then most any other type of business interaction. Such a potential for corruption should be looked at quite closely in such topics.

Yeah, CRA was wonderful for the housing market:lamo
 
I am sorry, but are you really asking why drug users go into prostitution? Try money, drugs are not cheap. To get money for drugs scores of people go into crime (getting into dealing themselves or stealing and other crimes), beg money or go into prostitution.

People with low self esteem are preyed upon by ruthless criminals to force or entice them into prostitution. People with psychological problems often have low self esteem.

Poverty can also force people into prostitution.

And you are partly right, sometimes women just get into prostitution and for most it does kill their self-esteem but I think it is logical that people with dependency issues, child abuse (especially sexual), alcohol, broken homes, getting the wrong attention from men etc. etc. etc. can contribute or even cause people to go into prostitution. All the problems you state as the result of prostitution are often found prior to women going into prostitution to begin with.

So that doesn't throw a red flag up for you? Hey, here's this profession that pretty much only drug users and mentally unstable people get in to... where the women are 40 times more likely to kill themselves?

I don't know man. I think we should be helping these women, not enabling their demise. Most adults are capable of looking out for themselves, but there is a small percentage who need to be looked after. We can't just enable them to destroy themselves.
 
I'm fine with the billionaire paying people to have their eyes removed as long as they're able to give informed consent. If they're mentally ill, senile, or under the effects of drugs or alcohol, that's not okay, and I believe it would render any legal contract between them null and void anyway.

Is it OK to sleep with a hooker if she's drunk or under the effects of drugs?
 
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting.

You're assuming that prostitution wouldn't be regulated like that place in Nevada. Those particular prostitutes from what I can tell have none of those problems. Making it legal would actually make it safer as it could be regulated and tests be done on the prostitutes on a regular basis. I would also require the men to be tested with in 24 hours of hiring a prostitute.

Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?

Two consenting adults. Fine with me. The difference is zero. Indeed there is nothing stopping someone from doing that right now.
 
But should it be that way? Should we really be allowed to take advantage of each other in such a way? I think we need to acknowledge that certain people in society are more vulnerable than others, and offer them some sort of protection.

Taking away choice is immoral. The only ones that need protecting are those that legally cannot consent due to being underage or retarded.
 
What liberty do they really have, if they're so desperate for money that they would sell their gift of sight?

What liberty do you have if you join the military? You can loose your whole life yet I bet to you even that is acceptable. Many poor people join the military because it helps them. I would even postulate that many poor people (not all) join the military not out of any sense of patriotism but out of monetary need.
 
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?

Voted yes due to total lack of any basis in reality.
 
We know prostitution causes a wide array of psychological problems (to see some of the data, I'd redirect you back to the original thread where I've posted some). It's not simply an incidental relationship - real people are actually getting hurt, even dying, every day as a result.

In a sense, Johns are like the sadist in my example: they don't care if they are hurting someone else, as long as they get their pleasure out of the experience. However, the pleasure they derive is far outweighed by the pain derived by the victim (the prostitute).

Make it legal and Johns have no where near the power they have now. Right now they can beat a woman up and she dare not go to the police. That's where most of the psychological problems derive from. The Johns having all the power and the prostitutes having none.
 
Taking away choice is immoral. The only ones that need protecting are those that legally cannot consent due to being underage or retarded.

Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.
 
Taking away choice is immoral. The only ones that need protecting are those that legally cannot consent due to being underage or retarded.

Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.
 
Make it legal and Johns have no where near the power they have now. Right now they can beat a woman up and she dare not go to the police. That's where most of the psychological problems derive from. The Johns having all the power and the prostitutes having none.

Evidence?
 
Where on earth have you met these prostitutes? On the street? Everybody has issues with street prostitution. Most women who choose the life, become escorts. They aren't mistreated. They are well paid actresses.

This one is 43 (or more since they do lie).
Here's her rates
1 hour $450
2 hours $700
3 hours $1000

Here's her page Welcome to my virtual world

You think people push her around? Not a chance! I lived with an escort for 2 years and her customers were quite meek and well behaved.

I'm just baffled what is immoral about this. If the customer is married - he's the immoral one. If the customer, like me, isn't married, all thats happening is free trade, the essence of capitalism.






Make it legal and Johns have no where near the power they have now. Right now they can beat a woman up and she dare not go to the police. That's where most of the psychological problems derive from. The Johns having all the power and the prostitutes having none.
 
This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting.

Non sequitur.
Prostitution has been around for, uh, a long time, in many forms. Can you say that the evils you listed aren't a result of the prohibition? Can you think of a time and place when prostitution didn't have the legal and moral stigma and prostitutes were accepted members of society?

Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?

None of this is at all similar to a transaction between a prostitute and her customer.
 
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