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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I would argue that the one trying to control other people is the man paying for a prostitute, or the sadist willing to offer someone a million bucks for their eyeballs.
    That would be silly, because the people are voluntarily participating and nobody is forcing them to make one choice over another--so they are not being controlled.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Because people should have the liberty to do as they please as long as it doesn't interfere with the liberties of others.
    Yeah, but it's not that simple. A buck isn't always a buck. I could wipe my ass with a 10 dollar bill and not care. To a homeless bum, that 10 bucks is worth a lot more than it is to me. Therefore, any transaction I have with that homeless man is tilted in my favor.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    That would be silly, because the people are voluntarily participating and nobody is forcing them to make one choice over another--so they are not being controlled.
    That's a bit simplistic. A buck isn't always a buck. I could wipe my ass with a 10 dollar bill and not care. To a homeless bum, that 10 bucks is worth a lot more than it is to me. Therefore, any transaction I have with that homeless man is tilted in my favor.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's a bit simplistic. A buck isn't always a buck. I could wipe my ass with a 10 dollar bill and not care. To a homeless bum, that 10 bucks is worth a lot more than it is to me. Therefore, any transaction I have with that homeless man is tilted in my favor.
    It is that simplistic. The homeless man can always say no, so the sadist is not controlling him or aggressing against him. If I think I will be better off blind with a million bucks, so be it. It doesn't matter how much that buck is worth relative to you. What matters is how much it is worth relative to the person making the choice. You can say I am making a bad choice...but its still my choice so I am not being controlled.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yeah, but it's not that simple. A buck isn't always a buck. I could wipe my ass with a 10 dollar bill and not care. To a homeless bum, that 10 bucks is worth a lot more than it is to me. Therefore, any transaction I have with that homeless man is tilted in my favor.
    And the homeless person would know that. I think paying $10 for anything at McDonald's is ridiculous, but McDonald's has a lot of money and can set the prices as they see fit and I, on occasion, will pay for it.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    It is that simplistic. The homeless man can always say no, so the sadist is not controlling him or aggressing against him. If I think I will be better off blind with a million bucks, so be it. It doesn't matter how much that buck is worth relative to you. What matters is how much it is worth relative to the person making the choice. You can say I am making a bad choice...but its still my choice so I am not being controlled.
    Whereas I think that no person should have the power, regardless of their wealth, to cause someone else to deliberately harm themselves. Nobody should be allowed to improperly influence another human being in such a way.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    And the homeless person would know that. I think paying $10 for anything at McDonald's is ridiculous, but McDonald's has a lot of money and can set the prices as they see fit and I, on occasion, will pay for it.
    Just because they know that doesn't mean they don't need that 10 bucks a lot more than I do. That's why I have more power. I can walk away. I can tear up the 10 dollar bill in front of them. They need what I have.

    That's where the uneven playing field comes from.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    What if you offered a more realistic scenario?

    part of the reason many prostitutes suffer is precisely BECAUSE it is illegal. High dollar hookers do just fine, some even put themselves through college. Think about it...getting paid WELL to have sex. Living in an environment where it was safe, legal, controlled, hell, even a respected profession. No need for pimps or back alley ways, no being forced into a job you hated...respectable income, and you could have a tax revenue stream.

    Funny thing is...and Ive said it before...if men could make a living at it it would be legal and they would offer college degrees.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Just because they know that doesn't mean they don't need that 10 bucks a lot more than I do. That's why I have more power. I can walk away. I can tear up the 10 dollar bill in front of them. They need what I have.

    That's where the uneven playing field comes from.
    Uneven playing fields aren't illegal.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What if you offered a more realistic scenario?

    part of the reason many prostitutes suffer is precisely BECAUSE it is illegal. High dollar hookers do just fine, some even put themselves through college. Think about it...getting paid WELL to have sex. Living in an environment where it was safe, legal, controlled, hell, even a respected profession. No need for pimps or back alley ways, no being forced into a job you hated...respectable income, and you could have a tax revenue stream.

    Funny thing is...and Ive said it before...if men could make a living at it it would be legal and they would offer college degrees.

    I like extreme scenarios because they paint black-and-white pictures, and force you to figure out where you stand on the issue.

    Should one person be able to pay another person to deliberately harm themselves?

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