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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by kingsbridge View Post
    Drug dealers don't kill themselves because they kill each other before they get the chance to.

    No; I don't really get the point. All your examples seem disconnected from the actual problem, Grimm... But, okay. It may be just me who doesn't get it.
    The larger point is that pure capitalism can have destructive tendencies. The question is: to the forces of supply and demand always lead to net benefit, or do they sometimes cause harm (for example, when you have an insane sadist with a lot of money).

    I'm using the most extreme examples in order to make a point, but it is my belief that, on a smaller scale, such things happen every day. Transactions are NOT always done on a level playing field.

    I believe it is up to society to regulate such transactions.

    That said, I agree it's a complex question.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    The OP asks if two consenting adults can make a transaction together that involves nobody but themselves, the answer is yes and is always going to be yes. Be it $10 or $100,000,000.

    As I said, puppies can't consent.

    Your hypothetical gets further from your own original post.
    Fine, you didn't like that hypothetical. Try this one. What if I wanted to pay you to convince your dying grandmother to consent to pull the plug on herself, and to film it so that I can watch? Should that be legal?

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

    Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

    Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



    Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

    Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
    Prostitutes exist whether it is legal or not--and when it is legal there tends to be less disease. Regardless, people have the right to choose to work in dangerous or unhealthy professions.

    Would I like to get rid of my eyes for a million bucks? No. Would I like my kids to? No. Does liberty mean that I get to make things illegal that I don't like? No. If consent is given, people can do what they want. Stop trying to control other people.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Fine, you didn't like that hypothetical. Try this one. What if I wanted to pay you to convince your dying grandmother to consent to pull the plug on herself, and to film it so that I can watch? Should that be legal?
    It is sick and twisted. That being said, if I so desired, yes, it should be legal.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    It is sick and twisted. That being said, if I so desired, yes, it should be legal.
    If it's sick and twisted, why should it be legal? Don't we have laws in order to uphold a stable society?

    In my opinion, no way in hell should something like that be legal.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Have you ever considered the possibility that perhaps the illegality of prostitution is a contributing factor to the psychological misfortunes of prostitutes? What percentage of prostitutes actual commit suicide? And how is equating depression with blindness a remotely valid equivalence?
    Either I'm right or you're wrong.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The larger point is that pure capitalism can have destructive tendencies. The question is: to the forces of supply and demand always lead to net benefit, or do they sometimes cause harm (for example, when you have an insane sadist with a lot of money).

    I'm using the most extreme examples in order to make a point, but it is my belief that, on a smaller scale, such things happen every day. Transactions are NOT always done on a level playing field.

    I believe it is up to society to regulate such transactions.

    That said, I agree it's a complex question.
    That's a very, very large point, indeed...

    Demand and supply doesn't always lead the benefit of everyone. It can't. However, the exchange of a service for money, if it's done in a harmless way and serves some utility--be it pleasure or anything else--, could and should be allowed by law. The only cases when it's not is when a society is too conservative, which I believe is the case when we speak of the US, or when its consequences are yet uncertain and need to be thoroughly analysed (this is the case of prostitution, weed, firearms, etc.).

    But I'm glad we both agree that it's a complex question, because it really is; not because it's morally wrong or right, for that's relative, but because of the consequences it will result in. That's the way I see it.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If it's sick and twisted, why should it be legal? Don't we have laws in order to uphold a stable society?

    In my opinion, no way in hell should something like that be legal.
    Because people should have the liberty to do as they please as long as it doesn't interfere with the liberties of others.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Prostitutes exist whether it is legal or not--and when it is legal there tends to be less disease. Regardless, people have the right to choose to work in dangerous or unhealthy professions.

    Would I like to get rid of my eyes for a million bucks? No. Would I like my kids to? No. Does liberty mean that I get to make things illegal that I don't like? No. If consent is given, people can do what they want. Stop trying to control other people.
    I would argue that the one trying to control other people is the man paying for a prostitute, or the sadist willing to offer someone a million bucks for their eyeballs.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The larger point is that pure capitalism can have destructive tendencies. The question is: to the forces of supply and demand always lead to net benefit, or do they sometimes cause harm (for example, when you have an insane sadist with a lot of money).

    I'm using the most extreme examples in order to make a point, but it is my belief that, on a smaller scale, such things happen every day. Transactions are NOT always done on a level playing field.

    I believe it is up to society to regulate such transactions.

    That said, I agree it's a complex question.
    If people would rather have a million dollars than two eyes, meaning they subjectively feel they would be better off that way, the free market is not making them worse off. It is making them better off. You may not like it, but you don't get objectively define what makes people better off. All individuals defines that for themselves.
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