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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I was thinking more along the lines of a drunk prostitute or a drunk stranger in a bar or something on that level. I can understand that you wouldn't find your own wife to be disgusting even if she was drinking because you love her.
    I wouldn't find a drunk woman disgusting, unless she was sloppy, stumbling around and throwing up drunk. I'd avoid sex with any stranger who was noticeably intoxicated just for the fear that she might press charges the next day. If I was the type to hire a hooker, I wouldn't care if she was drunk (unless she was sloppy drunk), since it's currently illegal and she'd be unlikely to press charges. If it was legal, I'd avoid a drunk hooker like I would any other drunk woman.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I wouldn't find a drunk woman disgusting, unless she was sloppy, stumbling around and throwing up drunk. I'd avoid sex with any stranger who was noticeably intoxicated just for the fear that she might press charges the next day. If I was the type to hire a hooker, I wouldn't care if she was drunk (unless she was sloppy drunk), since it's currently illegal and she'd be unlikely to press charges. If it was legal, I'd avoid a drunk hooker like I would any other drunk woman.
    Well, not necessarily throwing up, but the other two kind of describe a "drunk" person. No?

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You can't call this poll a win for anti-prostitution, as it isn't even remotely similar.

    Here's a poll where the question was directly phrased: Should prostitution be legal?

    85% said yes.

    The biggest difference between these two scenarios is in the billionaire scenario, the person paid is being directly harmed, and is guaranteed 100% to be harmed. Prostitution is opening yourself up to the CHANCE of being harmed. I open myself up to the chance of being harmed every day when I leave my house. I've weighed the pros and cons and have decided it's worth it. That's for everyone to decide themselves.

    As I said before though, I think such a situation would be extremely rare, but if it did happen, someone should investigate to make sure that person is of sound mind and isn't being coerced. If he's doing it of his own free will, that's his decision, not yours.
    I didn't call it that.

    I wish I could delete this thread I started. You guys are absolutely insufferable.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's not my opinion, it's society's. Disgust for incest is a social norm. Knowing this is part of being properly socialized.
    It is society's opinion now that certain forms of incest is harmful.

    However, not all forms of incest that are illegal are harmful. First cousins having children only raises the chance of a genetic disorder from 2% normally to 4%. This is a small increase, especially compared to other things that can increase the risk for offspring to have genetic problems. There is no chance of genetic disorders from two people of the same sex who are closely related having a relationship or from an incestuous relationship where one is infertile or cannot have children because there is no chance of offspring between them.

    Then the subject goes to undue influence. This undue influence would be most likely to happen when the older participant in the relationship was a major influential factor in the child's life or when there was some abuse/neglect happening in the family. This really isn't a factor if the younger of the two is older when they meet, such was the case in a legal battle that granted two siblings the right to marry when they met after they were adults.

    There are logical reasons to object to some forms of incest, but that doesn't mean that people haven't gone too far in what is considered incest. Some states/countries do/did have laws that included in-laws as incestuous relationships.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, not necessarily throwing up, but the other two kind of describe a "drunk" person. No?
    I guess it depends on what behavior you consider 'drunk'.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I guess it depends on what behavior you consider 'drunk'.
    For me, I've always differentiated between someone who was "drunk" and someone who was just "buzzed." To me, drunk is stumbling around, slurring your words, being obnoxious, perhaps throwing up (but some people don't throw up). A lot of times, they just reek of alcohol too, like they've bathed in it. Yuck! That is a HUGE turn off for me. A couple of drinks, fine, but if you're having more than that then chances are you're getting drunk.

    As you can tell, I'm not a big fan of drunk people.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

    Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

    Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



    Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

    Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?
    These people are. or are possibly, impaired and thetrefore cannot make sound decisions for the themselves. They need to be, and, generally, are, protected by law from things like this.

    Otherwise? I see no moral issue. Have at it.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    I'm curious where this ends?

    Why stop at prostitution and eye-gouging?

    There are countless professions that require someone of limited means to perform some inherantly risky job in exchange for money.

    What about the fireman rushing into a burning building in order to save the life of a millionairess debutante?

    What about the inner-city kid working his way up the the amature boxing circut toward a chance at a prize fight?

    What about a guy manning a swordfishing boat on the North Atlantic?

    Where do we draw the line between jobs that are potentially dangerous and should be illegal and those that are of equal or even greater danger but should be perfectly legal?

    Or is there no line?

    Should it be illegal to assume any degree of risk, or expose one's self to any degree of danger, in exchange for recompense?

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    If they satisfy the conditions for legal consent (are not under influence/threat, are not impaired in decision-making) then yes. And I agree that prostitution should be legal. Let me go find that poll.

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