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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    By restricting their liberty? Hmm...
    What liberty do they really have, if they're so desperate for money that they would sell their gift of sight?

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So is prostitution. Yet most seem to think that law is wrong.
    Not everywhere in the States is it illegal. And the morality of prostitution is subjective. It can be shown that whats considered mainstream dating can be a form of prostitution. So really where is this subjective line drawn? SHould it be illegal for people on dates to spend money on their date?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If it is your organs why can't you sell them?
    Perhaps because of where it could lead? Ghettos with hacked up poor people most likely.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What liberty do they really have, if they're so desperate for money that they would sell their gift of sight?
    Perhaps they would use the money for a upgrade to better eyes? Ones mans junk is anothers treasure?

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    You redirected me here, so I'll do you the favour of replying to these questions.

    You ask for a yes-or-no answer, but you know that's hard to do. (That's also why I asked what the cons of the legalisation of prostitution would be.)

    If I have to give such a short answer, though, I'd have to say no. You mention the psychological disorders, the suicides, etc., as if it's a given fact that it happens in all cases, to all prostitutes, under any circumstances. But that's not the case. Removing someone's eyes, however, cannot be done without... well, removing someone's eyes. Many prostitutes, however, don't show any signs of mental illnesses or suicidal tendencies. Plus, if it were made legal, I think it'd be more likely for those problems to diminish rather than grow.

    Lastly, a lot of people have eating disorders, and that doesn't mean that food should be made illegal, though it can be the primary cause of the problem. People need to eat; these girls either desperately need money to eat, or they enjoy doing it, or they are forced to do it (but that could be partly taken care of by legalising it). They're not killing anyone; they are simply providing a service. It's a hole and something entering it. If that were so dramatic, golf would be a great sport.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Perhaps they would use the money for a upgrade to better eyes? Ones mans junk is anothers treasure?
    Eye transplants don't exist. Anyway, it's my hypothetical. In this situation, the billionaire is simply a sadist, he feeds the eyeballs to his pampered dog Fluffy.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by kingsbridge View Post
    You redirected me here, so I'll do you the favour of replying to these questions.

    You ask for a yes-or-no answer, but you know that's hard to do. (That's also why I asked what the cons of the legalisation of prostitution would be.)

    If I have to give such a short answer, though, I'd have to say no. You mention the psychological disorders, the suicides, etc., as if it's a given fact that it happens in all cases, to all prostitutes, under any circumstances. But that's not the case. Removing someone's eyes, however, cannot be done without... well, removing someone's eyes. Many prostitutes, however, don't show any signs of mental illnesses or suicidal tendencies. Plus, if it were made legal, I think it'd be more likely for those problems to diminish rather than grow.

    Lastly, a lot of people have eating disorders, and that doesn't mean that food should be made illegal, though it can be the primary cause of the problem. People need to eat; these girls either desperately need money to eat, or they enjoy doing it, or they are forced to do it (but that could be partly taken care of by legalising it). They're not killing anyone; they are simply providing a service. It's a hole and something entering it. If that were so dramatic, golf would be a great sport.
    We know prostitution causes a wide array of psychological problems (to see some of the data, I'd redirect you back to the original thread where I've posted some). It's not simply an incidental relationship - real people are actually getting hurt, even dying, every day as a result.

    In a sense, Johns are like the sadist in my example: they don't care if they are hurting someone else, as long as they get their pleasure out of the experience. However, the pleasure they derive is far outweighed by the pain derived by the victim (the prostitute).

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

    Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

    Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



    Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

    Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
    No to these two only, considering both of these people are not mentally fit and therefore cannot be held liable to a binding contract.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

    Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

    Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."

    Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

    Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
    My support for the legalization of prostitution is premised on the fact that prostitution is real, immovable, pervasive part of society. Because it is a real, immovable, pervasive part of society, it ought to be legalized so that it can be regulated in order to reduce the damage that it does to prostitutes, their clients and society, at large. Sadistic billionaires who pay people for their eyes are not a real, immovable, pervasive part of society. Therefore, I see no benefit to making the actions you describe legal.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Yes to everything.
    Pretty much.

    The under the influence, addicted or mentally unfit maybe not, but consenting adults?

    Sure.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What liberty do they really have, if they're so desperate for money that they would sell their gift of sight?
    It sounds like they're only desperate for money because you won't let them make $1,000,000.00.

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