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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Only when its done illegally. IE illegal harvesting with out consent.
    Actually it is illegal to sell your organs or anyone else's living or dead, consent or not. The only country where it is legal to buy and sell organs (trade) is Iran.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't like your tone. If you really want to read up on the statistics, check out what I posted on the prostitution thread.
    Aren't you going to give us a post number at least. That thread is like 40 pages long, and I don't remember you posting any links in that thread.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't like your tone. If you really want to read up on the statistics, check out what I posted on the prostitution thread.
    That's what I thought, Peter. Your "data" and resources are in your ass.










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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes, you've established that you think it's OK for the rich to take advantage of the poor.
    They do that every day of the week in ways you most likely believe are quite legitimate. There's just nothing quite like being able to pay someone 1% of your income to do all your own dirty work, like scrub toilets, mop puke, and remove used gum & popcorn from carpeting.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    True freedom is kind of a bitch, so yes, if a person with full mental facilities takes a horrid offer for the tradeoff of monetary gain so be it. The thing about prostitution and the data showing suicides, abuse, etc. are symptoms of a much larger problem than the sex trade. Many of these women were abused as children, neglected, or became addicted to drugs, the diseases come from a lack of health and safety standards, and the further violence comes from having no legal recourse, their only "protection" from an abusive client, or one who stiffs them is a pimp, but because pimps specialize in violence that tends to turn around on the prostitute if he feels she's cheating him in some way. Because that prostitute has no legal recourse, she has two options which are to either seek help and get out of the profession or stay in the cycle.

    Prostitution is dangerous, it's against most religious tenets, but it's the oldest profession for a reason and that is because there's always going to be a demand. We can either figure out a way to bring the practice out of the black market and introduce standards or continue on course, it really is that simple.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Just saw this post.

    You misunderstand me. I don't think for a moment that Sonia finds me anything but repulsive, kind of like making it with her grandfather. She is paid to act like she gives a ****, but of cours she doesn't. It's just acting and entertaining.

    My point was that she makes a lot of money doing this. It's no worse than working in a sewage plant and the pay is much higher. She comes over, does her job, and leaves. She's doing fine, probably makes $20K a month and I'm fine, I get to play with a sweet young thang. It harms neither of us and benefits both of us.

    Escorting is a great career and while many women can't handle the concept, those that o are sure to get rich. Some will put their income up their nose and some will buy apartment complexes, get married and live happily ever-after.

    I seriously doubt that anything she tells me including her name is real. I'm not buying reality. I'm buying sex.



    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Peter Grimm
    You're 69 years old, so you should have enough life experience to know, on some level, that you're being deceived.

    What do you think Sonia is going to tell you? She's going to tell you what you want to hear, because you're her meal ticket. She's a professional actress? Yeah, around you. Her life is an act.

    She's selling you a fantasy. Sonia might not even be her real name.

    You believe her act because you want to. You want to believe that a beautiful, young girl really wants to have sex with you, no strings attached.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Don't even think about messing with my hookers. Some of my best friends are.......and you bet I'm emotional and protective of them. They control the pussy supply without which life would be so diminished.




    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't understand why you and a few other men are getting so emotional. God forbid someone should take away your hookers, right?

    A real man can have a rational debate without getting emotional.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    You got that 40 times rate from rapeis.org and if you pose the question on google you'll get 100 different answers. I call BS on this - it's just agenda statistics - just like the claim that 13 is the starting age.

    I've met many escorts and they were well over 13. No doubt there are child prostitutes in countries like Thailand but its not the case here. You can always find a horror story but that doesn't make everyone on the same par. For most women, it's profitable and satisfying. I know one girl who is just turning 50 and she owns more San Francisco real estate than Larry Ellison does (maybe). She loves her job - she meets all kinds of interesting men and travels all over the world.

    You're confusing young crack whores with Escorts and Courtesans. I consider myself very moral and ethical and I love Escorts and what they do for me.
    Oh, he got those numbers from ONE small study of (53?) street kids in Toronto. Of course, the number of those kids that turned to prostitution was even less than the 50+ total they interviewed. LOL!
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

    Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

    Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



    Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

    Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
    Yes to all.

    There are people who pay money to have body parts cut off. There are people who pay money to die. There are people who do all kinds of things.

    Now, re: your main argument here, which is actually about at what point it can be considered coercion, banning people from doing things is not the answer.

    The answer is for society to gravitate to a point where few people are desperate enough to be coerced. Because at the end of the day, punishing them for being desperate is not only cruel, but also completely counterproductive. You're just making their situation even worse.

    And it's worth noting that in some societies where prostitution is legal and fewer people are desperate, there are some people who prostitute because they genuinely enjoy it. And there are others who just don't mind it as a means to a different career ends, and that's fine too. These people, being more empowered and more legally accepted, take greater measures to protect their health.

    Not all prostitutes are coerced, and not all prostitutes are psychologically or physically damaged.

    I wonder, do you feel the same way about porn? After all, porn is just prostitution with a video recorder.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're 69 years old, so you should have enough life experience to know, on some level, that you're being deceived.

    What do you think Sonia is going to tell you? She's going to tell you what you want to hear, because you're her meal ticket. She's a professional actress? Yeah, around you. Her life is an act.

    She's selling you a fantasy. Sonia might not even be her real name.

    You believe her act because you want to. You want to believe that a beautiful, young girl really wants to have sex with you, no strings attached.
    They're not being deceived. They know exactly what they're doing - making good money - and if they look like her they're probably making more money than you ever have in a year.

    Of course there are strings attached, I'd guess close to 500 of them for an hour.
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