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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    But should it be that way? Should we really be allowed to take advantage of each other in such a way? I think we need to acknowledge that certain people in society are more vulnerable than others, and offer them some sort of protection.
    Taking away choice is immoral. The only ones that need protecting are those that legally cannot consent due to being underage or retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What liberty do they really have, if they're so desperate for money that they would sell their gift of sight?
    What liberty do you have if you join the military? You can loose your whole life yet I bet to you even that is acceptable. Many poor people join the military because it helps them. I would even postulate that many poor people (not all) join the military not out of any sense of patriotism but out of monetary need.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

    Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

    Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



    Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

    Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We know prostitution causes a wide array of psychological problems (to see some of the data, I'd redirect you back to the original thread where I've posted some). It's not simply an incidental relationship - real people are actually getting hurt, even dying, every day as a result.

    In a sense, Johns are like the sadist in my example: they don't care if they are hurting someone else, as long as they get their pleasure out of the experience. However, the pleasure they derive is far outweighed by the pain derived by the victim (the prostitute).
    Make it legal and Johns have no where near the power they have now. Right now they can beat a woman up and she dare not go to the police. That's where most of the psychological problems derive from. The Johns having all the power and the prostitutes having none.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Taking away choice is immoral. The only ones that need protecting are those that legally cannot consent due to being underage or retarded.
    Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Taking away choice is immoral. The only ones that need protecting are those that legally cannot consent due to being underage or retarded.
    Giving up your eyes for money is immoral. Selling your body for money is immoral.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Make it legal and Johns have no where near the power they have now. Right now they can beat a woman up and she dare not go to the police. That's where most of the psychological problems derive from. The Johns having all the power and the prostitutes having none.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Only if the puppies consent.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Should it be legal to pay someone to torture puppies?

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Where on earth have you met these prostitutes? On the street? Everybody has issues with street prostitution. Most women who choose the life, become escorts. They aren't mistreated. They are well paid actresses.

    This one is 43 (or more since they do lie).
    Here's her rates
    1 hour $450
    2 hours $700
    3 hours $1000

    Here's her page Welcome to my virtual world

    You think people push her around? Not a chance! I lived with an escort for 2 years and her customers were quite meek and well behaved.

    I'm just baffled what is immoral about this. If the customer is married - he's the immoral one. If the customer, like me, isn't married, all thats happening is free trade, the essence of capitalism.






    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Make it legal and Johns have no where near the power they have now. Right now they can beat a woman up and she dare not go to the police. That's where most of the psychological problems derive from. The Johns having all the power and the prostitutes having none.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

    Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting.
    Non sequitur.
    Prostitution has been around for, uh, a long time, in many forms. Can you say that the evils you listed aren't a result of the prohibition? Can you think of a time and place when prostitution didn't have the legal and moral stigma and prostitutes were accepted members of society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

    Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



    Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

    Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
    None of this is at all similar to a transaction between a prostitute and her customer.

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