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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Hookers kill themselves because it's illegal?
    Put simply, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Again as in the other thread, why should it be illegal to sell anything you can give away for free?
    I havent seen the other thread. But to answer your question: Its because just simply stating that it ought to be legal is a oversimplified position.

    Prostitution for example can pose a big health issue if left alone. Selling body parts could become very corrupted to say the least. So at the very least there should be laws that regulate the trade of such things. Notice that I havent asserted a position that claims that complete prohibition of either practice out to be enforced. I have just been raising concerns with the concept of unfettered trade in either prostitution or organ trade. If there isnt any laws regulating such business then certainly someone will be exploited. ANd in both cases we are talking about the possibility of severe exploitation more so then most any other type of business interaction. Such a potential for corruption should be looked at quite closely in such topics.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If that's an attempt to embarrass me, it won't work. Good try though.
    No not really but I wouldnt take any amount of money for my dick thank you.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

    Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting. Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

    Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



    Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

    Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
    I'm fine with the billionaire paying people to have their eyes removed as long as they're able to give informed consent. If they're mentally ill, senile, or under the effects of drugs or alcohol, that's not okay, and I believe it would render any legal contract between them null and void anyway.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I havent seen the other thread. But to answer your question: Its because just simply stating that it ought to be legal is a oversimplified position.

    Prostitution for example can pose a big health issue if left alone. Selling body parts could become very corrupted to say the least. So at the very least there should be laws that regulate the trade of such things. Notice that I havent asserted a position that claims that complete prohibition of either practice out to be enforced. I have just been raising concerns with the concept of unfettered trade in either prostitution or organ trade. If there isnt any laws regulating such business then certainly someone will be exploited. ANd in both cases we are talking about the possibility of severe exploitation more so then most any other type of business interaction. Such a potential for corruption should be looked at quite closely in such topics.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Bob Segar says it better than most anyone.











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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am sorry, but are you really asking why drug users go into prostitution? Try money, drugs are not cheap. To get money for drugs scores of people go into crime (getting into dealing themselves or stealing and other crimes), beg money or go into prostitution.

    People with low self esteem are preyed upon by ruthless criminals to force or entice them into prostitution. People with psychological problems often have low self esteem.

    Poverty can also force people into prostitution.

    And you are partly right, sometimes women just get into prostitution and for most it does kill their self-esteem but I think it is logical that people with dependency issues, child abuse (especially sexual), alcohol, broken homes, getting the wrong attention from men etc. etc. etc. can contribute or even cause people to go into prostitution. All the problems you state as the result of prostitution are often found prior to women going into prostitution to begin with.
    So that doesn't throw a red flag up for you? Hey, here's this profession that pretty much only drug users and mentally unstable people get in to... where the women are 40 times more likely to kill themselves?

    I don't know man. I think we should be helping these women, not enabling their demise. Most adults are capable of looking out for themselves, but there is a small percentage who need to be looked after. We can't just enable them to destroy themselves.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm fine with the billionaire paying people to have their eyes removed as long as they're able to give informed consent. If they're mentally ill, senile, or under the effects of drugs or alcohol, that's not okay, and I believe it would render any legal contract between them null and void anyway.
    Is it OK to sleep with a hooker if she's drunk or under the effects of drugs?

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is in direct response to the "should prostitution be legal" thread, and is intended to make you think. It surprises me how many of you answered "yes" to the question, this in spite of all the data which shows prostitutes suffer from a variety of diseases and psychological disorders - including heightened suicide rates - as a direct result of their profession.

    Therefore, you are saying it's OK to pay someone to harm themselves as long as both parties are consenting.
    You're assuming that prostitution wouldn't be regulated like that place in Nevada. Those particular prostitutes from what I can tell have none of those problems. Making it legal would actually make it safer as it could be regulated and tests be done on the prostitutes on a regular basis. I would also require the men to be tested with in 24 hours of hiring a prostitute.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Fine, but how far are you willing to take this logic?

    Here is a hypothetical question, answer it "yes" or "no."



    Suppose a sadistic billionaire went around offering poor people a million dollars each to have their eyes removed. The procedure would be carried out by a licensed plastic surgeon, under sedation, in a certified medical facility. Should that be legal? Both parties are consenting.

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered one of your parents, or your adult children, and they accepted? Should that be legal?

    What if the sadistic billionaire offered someone high on drugs, or a heavily addicted drug addict? What if they offered the elderly, or mentally impaired?

    Is it simply a case of two consenting adults involved in a financial transaction, or is there more to it? Is the sadistic billionaire taking advantage of the poor person's problems?
    Two consenting adults. Fine with me. The difference is zero. Indeed there is nothing stopping someone from doing that right now.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Human organ trade is illegal.
    Only when its done illegally. IE illegal harvesting with out consent.
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