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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Read thru the rest of the thread. I already shot down the libertarian argument.
    Well you missed and shot your own foot.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I'm not name calling. Thinking that you know what is best for people and what choices they should or shouldn't make requires an awful lot of self-righteousness. And to me that is incredibly offensive. But if calling you out for what you are bothers you, I will stop, and I apologize if my language offended you.

    Who has conferred you with this obligation? How do you know when the playing field is objectively "too uneven?" What if the poor man begged you to let him cut out his eyes for money. Would you let him? It is people who limit the choices individuals can make that are creating an uneven playing field. By subjecting everyone else to your opinions, you right off the bat put your own choices above theirs, claiming the moral high-ground.
    Sometimes the only difference in the playing field is effort and/or desire.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I'm not name calling. Thinking that you know what is best for people and what choices they should or shouldn't make requires an awful lot of self-righteousness. And to me that is incredibly offensive. But if calling you out for what you are bothers you, I will stop, and I apologize if my language offended you.

    Who has conferred you with this obligation? How do you know when the playing field is objectively "too uneven?" What if the poor man begged you to let him cut out his eyes for money. Would you let him? It is people who limit the choices individuals can make that are creating an uneven playing field. By subjecting everyone else to your opinions, you right off the bat put your own choices above theirs, claiming the moral high-ground.
    Alright, you seem a little too heated for this debate right now, bro. Maybe we can pick it up again tomorrow when you've had a chance to cool off and collect yourself a bit.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Read thru the rest of the thread. I already shot down the libertarian argument.
    Yeah, you say that. But it still doesn't change the fact that if one truly wanted to sell his eyes and was in full control of their brain, then that's that. Little trite statements like "I already struck down the libertarian argument" are meaningless. Quote it then if you did. Probably you just used a lot of hyperbole and semantics to make it seem like you advanced a point when you really didn't.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Alright, you seem a little too heated for this debate right now, bro. Maybe we can pick it up again tomorrow when you've had a chance to cool off and collect yourself a bit.
    I'm fine--I'm more or less using the heated language to prove a point. But if you want to take a break that's fine--but be warned. In that time I may have paid someone $1 million to gouge out their eyes...and it would be all..your...fault.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Well you missed and shot your own foot.
    That's more what I would assume was the reality, from past experiences with Peter's arguments.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    not.. the mentality impaired.

    some people are adults in body, but not in the mind, therefore parents or others have to act for them.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    OK, suppose you're right. Then the question becomes.... why? Why do drug users choose prostitution as a profession, more than other people? Why do sufferers of psychological problems choose prostitution as a profession, more than other people?

    What barrier exists that would cause most normal people to avoid prostitution, whereas drug users and the mentally ill do not?

    The average woman simply does not go out and decide to become a prostitute.

    Here is my answer: prostitution is demeaning. It kills self-esteem. If someone goes in to the profession, it kills their self-esteem. If they have no self-esteem to begin with (drug dealers or mentally ill), they have less of a problem resorting to prostitution.

    Either way, the profession is destructive to the prostitute.
    I am sorry, but are you really asking why drug users go into prostitution? Try money, drugs are not cheap. To get money for drugs scores of people go into crime (getting into dealing themselves or stealing and other crimes), beg money or go into prostitution.

    People with low self esteem are preyed upon by ruthless criminals to force or entice them into prostitution. People with psychological problems often have low self esteem.

    Poverty can also force people into prostitution.

    And you are partly right, sometimes women just get into prostitution and for most it does kill their self-esteem but I think it is logical that people with dependency issues, child abuse (especially sexual), alcohol, broken homes, getting the wrong attention from men etc. etc. etc. can contribute or even cause people to go into prostitution. All the problems you state as the result of prostitution are often found prior to women going into prostitution to begin with.
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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am sorry, but are you really asking why drug users go into prostitution? Try money, drugs are not cheap. To get money for drugs scores of people go into crime (getting into dealing themselves or stealing and other crimes), beg money or go into prostitution.

    People with low self esteem are preyed upon by ruthless criminals to force or entice them into prostitution. People with psychological problems often have low self esteem.

    Poverty can also force people into prostitution.

    And you are partly right, sometimes women just get into prostitution and for most it does kill their self-esteem but I think it is logical that people with dependency issues, child abuse (especially sexual), alcohol, broken homes, getting the wrong attention from men etc. etc. etc. can contribute or even cause people to go into prostitution. All the problems you state as the result of prostitution are often found prior to women going into prostitution to begin with.
    I know a woman here that I went to college with. She majored in accounting and got a job at reputable firm in a larger city. She came back to our home town several years ago in her early forties. The cat is out of the bag. Yeah she did some accounting work but she was actually a high end call girl that retired in her early 40's. Many here are only talking about street whores but there is much more to this business than some seem to know.

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    Re: Moral question (don't click if you're squeamish)...

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Im starting to think you are just airing a strange fetish.
    Yep. I think the dude likes banging blind hookers.










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