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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Well, teaching appropriate behavior, social etiquette, and so forth. Yes, this also involves having a clean record, as if we are to be role models, it is assumed that we ought to at least fairly decently hold up to the standard. In the past, "traditional gender roles" were mixed in with the social etiquette and lesson planning. Once it became improper to implant those specific roles to the sexes, the sort that remained was social. A change in gender roles is still taught by being gender-neutral or meritocracy for both sexes. That's a gender role right there.
    Why do you think this needs to be "taught" anyway? I happen to think these are things that kids pick up on naturally, and it's certainly not the school's or the teacher's place to assume "teaching" something like this to someone else's child/children. Inappropriate, regardless of what they did in the old days.

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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Women can't change tires. They can get a spare out and stand there looking at in until some man stops and changes it for her though.
    Thank God I didn't grow up where you live.

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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why do you think this needs to be "taught" anyway? I happen to think these are things that kids pick up on naturally, and it's certainly not the school's or the teacher's place to assume "teaching" something like this to someone else's child/children. Inappropriate, regardless of what they did in the old days.
    Well, it's not "naturally" gathered, no. I just spent the last 10 hours reading a book published 31 years ago on the necessities of instructing many of these very basic concepts, and making sure they are ready for adulthood. A very big thing now is incorporating life skills and social skills into the classroom, making it a part of the classroom environment so individuals can hack it on the outside. This started becoming important for students with disabilities, and now it's slowly becoming more important for regular education students.

    I don't see why it's so shocking. Society places these demands on instructors, it becomes institutionalized through the practice, and instructors are answering the call.
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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Well, it's not "naturally" gathered, no. I just spent the last 10 hours reading a book published 31 years ago on the necessities of instructing many of these very basic concepts, and making sure they are ready for adulthood. A very big thing now is incorporating life skills and social skills into the classroom, making it a part of the classroom environment so individuals can hack it on the outside. This started becoming important for students with disabilities, and no it's slowly becoming more important for regular education students.

    I don't see why it's so shocking. Society places these demands on instructors, it becomes institutionalized through the practice, and instructors are answering the call.
    Well, from my own personal experiences, I have to disagree with your assessment. And I never said it was "shocking." I said it's inappropriate and that teachers need to know their places when it comes to other people's children. Unless you're referring to one of those schools that raise rich people's kids for them, but I'm talking about public school teachers.

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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    There is a true evolution in what a "traditional family" represents. I know some people are going to hate me using the word "evolution"...rather than "change", but take a minute to look up the word "evolution".

    I happen to know several "Mr. Moms" who aren't employed outside the home. Working in the home is a tough job. Anybody who has ever truly been responsible for a household knows exactly what I'm talking about.

    Regardless of what a nuclear family is to each individual, the bottom like is that if there are children...then they are exposed to a parent or parents who do role model and teach them right from wrong, world views, religions, current events, family traditions no matter where they originated within a family. Parents or a parent that relinquishes teaching their children all of the aforementioned...is setting that kid up for failure. Kids need guided and affirmed, or validated if you will.

    We live in a beautiful world...but it is a dangerous world. The best thing a parent can do for a kid is to let them know that he or she is safe...and that they'll do their best to make sure that their NEEDS are met...and that they will be there for them in the good, bad, and ugliest of times. Teachers at schools simply can't do that for a kid.
    Well said.
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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, from my own personal experiences, I have to disagree with your assessment. And I never said it was "shocking." I said it's inappropriate and that teachers need to know their places when it comes to other people's children. Unless you're referring to one of those schools that raise rich people's kids for them, but I'm talking about public school teachers.
    Actually, I am referring to the public school and its teachers.
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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Gender roles don't change from one generation to the next. When you get a flat tire in the pouring rain dad fixes it not mom.
    I'm a mom and I've fixed mechanical things, installed a ceiling fan, took apart and fixed my leaky sunroof in my last car, mow the lawn and do plenty of other "dad" things. That was a silly thing to say.
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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Actually, I am referring to the public school and its teachers.
    Why do you want public school teachers to teach gender roles, and what exactly would that even entail? Honestly, speaking as a parent, I would be pissed about it. I don't want the teachers having any kind of relationship with my child other than school lesson associated. I would feel that they were overstepping their boundaries with me as well as with my child.

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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    I did not say I entirely want gender roles to be taught, I mostly said they are a consequence per the requirements placed on instructors, and a role instructors themselves largely embrace. There are limitations on their reach, the division between parent and teacher are large, but social guidance can end up having the instructor include gender assumptions (whether neutral, "traditional," or negotiated) along with all sort of additional social instruction.
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    Re: Teach Children Tradition Gender Roles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I did not say I entirely want gender roles to be taught, I mostly said they are a consequence per the requirements placed on instructors, and a role instructors themselves largely embrace. There are limitations on their reach, the division between parent and teacher are large, but social guidance can end up having the instructor include gender assumptions (whether neutral, "traditional," or negotiated) along with all sort of additional social instruction.
    Well, that is what the thread is about, teaching "traditional" gender roles and "marriage" roles in school. See thread title.

    I think only rarely is a teacher THAT influential on a student anyway. The exception might be SOME very young students who might be missing something at home.

    An example of what you mean by "gender assumptions" and how an instructor would include that in his or her daily lessons would be nice. I'm really not sure if you mean inadvertent influence.

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