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Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?


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They need to stay. I don't see any reason to cancel either.
 
So take it up with the populist media. The reason that they're Christmas specials is because America celebrates Christmas. If and when a significant portion of the country becomes Jewish or Muslim or whatever, you'll see an adjustment in the media-established celebrations.

There's no reason for people to get pissy that most people don't observe what they observe. If you observe something besides Christmas, observe it and shut up. I don't observe Valentines Day since it's a Hallmark holiday designed to bilk men out of money and give it to greedy women that need third-party "proof" that their men love them enough to put up with them...but do you see me going door-to-door with a petition? No. Oh, and I know that VD is not a federal holiday, so don't bother mentioning it.

If you don't observe Christmas, observe what you want and enjoy the couple days off. Frankly, I don't give a damn what other people like or don't like, and I don't feel like giving them a soapbox for it.

As I said to Helix its those darn specials on TV . Its impossible to ignore Christmas with all those darn snowman . I was correcting you on the fact how it was not supposed to be all inclusive and was meant to overshadow other religious holidays . Your statement was incorrect on that matter . Christmas is so water down and with little religion anymore I think it cant offend certain groups of people anymore .
 
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July 4th is offensive to minorities? How? :confused:
 
As I said to Helix its those darn specials on TV . Its impossible to ignore Christmas with all those darn snowman . I was correcting you on the fact how it was not supposed to be all inclusive and was meant to overshadow other religious holidays . Your stamen was incorrect on that matter . Christmas is so water down and with little religion anymore I think it cant offend certain groups of people anymore .

Valentines Day is hard for me to ignore. All those Hallmark and candy commercials are forcing me to shell out to "prove" my love. Every time I hear the jingle, "Every kiss begins with Kay", I hear it as "give diamonds or no nookie for you". Should I take my case to Washington to demand that no more commercials or calendars remind me of that dreadful holiday?

If you don't like Christmas or anything about it, oh well. Most people do, so you'll have to put up with it.
 
Valentines Day is hard for me to ignore. All those Hallmark and candy commercials are forcing me to shell out to "prove" my love. Every time I hear the jingle, "Every kiss begins with Kay", I hear it as "give diamonds or no nookie for you". Should I take my case to Washington to demand that no more commercials or calendars remind me of that dreadful holiday?

If you don't like Christmas or anything about it, oh well. Most people do, so you'll have to put up with it.

As a few people in my family have put it as a holiday were you bribe your girlfriend or wife for sexual intercourse with expensive gifts . I want to know how to have all those snowman removed their very offensive to people who get very pale in the winter . I put up with it every year when prices of objects go up with their supposed " sales " with a nice slice of ham .
 
As a few people in my family have put it as a holiday were you bribe your girlfriend or wife for sexual intercourse with expensive gifts . I want to know how to have all those snowman removed their very offensive to people who get very pale in the winter . I put up with it every year when prices of objects go up with their supposed " sales " with a nice slice of ham .

I hope to God that this is sarcasm...
 
Well you did say it was in 1621 when in fact it was not so who is getting their facts wrong . Besides the bolded part of my statement isn't even a fact its something I put so you would not have to question my statement .

My reference, from my first post forward, was the original Thanksgiving, not the one so declared by a President. My facts are correct.
 
Yes it is , But the sales thing is a bit annoying .

There's a laundry list of things that are annoying about Christmas. Frankly, it's a commercial holiday these days. People can't be offended by Christmas for religious reasons because America has already done a bang-up job at removing the religion aspect out of it.

Get your wife a homemade card and hold her while you sing Christmas carols in front of a fire instead of hocking out your wallet for jewelry. See if you get any holiday nookie.
 
My reference, from my first post forward, was the original Thanksgiving, not the one so declared by a President. My facts are correct.

Alright but when it was declared by a president when every state recognized it as a holiday it was in 1868 after the things that had happened to the native's and not so very long ago may I add , had taken place that they were thanked for helping the people take their land also for killing half of their population. As I had said is a bit wrong since it is like putting salt into ones wounds .
 
Christmas is meant to be all-inclusive with regard to federal holiday status. It's around the same time as Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and all those other pseudo-holidays. Therefore, you can spend the 25th and the surrounding days worshiping, believing, or doing whatever your heart desires.....

So the Solstice, usually around Dec 21, should be just as good and eliminate the last officially recognized religious holiday
 
There's a laundry list of things that are annoying about Christmas. Frankly, it's a commercial holiday these days. People can't be offended by Christmas for religious reasons because America has already done a bang-up job at removing the religion aspect out of it.

Get your wife a homemade card and hold her while you sing Christmas carols in front of a fire instead of hocking out your wallet for jewelry. See if you get any holiday nookie.

I was talking about VD . I did say it was a holiday that cant offend any groups of people since all the religion was watered down .
 
So the Solstice, usually around Dec 21, should be just as good and eliminate the last officially recognized religious holiday

Um, no. Too much backlash, too much effort...all for something that's essentially a non-issue.

You're 1 of a nation of damn near 400 million. The will of the few does not get imposed on the will of the many, especially if it has nothing to do with legality, security, or freedom.
 
So the Solstice, usually around Dec 21, should be just as good and eliminate the last officially recognized religious holiday

It was held for several days .
 
I was talking about VD . I did say it was a holiday that cant offend any groups of people since all the religion was watered down .

A holiday is as religious as you want to make it. Period.

Do you think I light candles for 8 days, or go without food for 40?
 
That holiday is all in ones face ever seen all those Christmas specials on TV all the time but yet not another faiths , Like Hanukah as you have said never seen one . Christmas was never meant to be all inclusive it was to over shadow the romans holiday which in that time period , or the holiday would be in the spring , but now its all about ham and Santa clause as well as his elves so its cool .

Christians should have no problem celebrating the religiously neutral Winter Solstice on December 21st, so no economic harm will be done. If some of them insist on celebrating on Dec. 25, despite the lack of factual or traditional basis for that date, they can take a day off like people from other religions routinely do for their holidays.
 
A holiday is as religious as you want to make it. Period.

Do you think I light candles for 8 days, or go without food for 40?

I meant in the holiday it was watered down .
 
I meant in the holiday it was watered down .

All holidays are watered down. What's the problem?

Non-religious people can exchange gifts and hide eggs for their kids. Indians and non-Indians can eat turkey and stuffing and mashed potatoes.

Long story short, it's no big deal. Anyone lobbying to eliminate holidays for reasons as petty as what was mentioned earlier in this thread is so full of angst that they're better off eating a bullet and ending their misery. Either that or just go postal already. End result is the same.
 
I think we ought to update our narrative of Thanksgiving and acknowledge the less savory parts of our history. But what's wrong with the 4th of July?
 
I celebrate every day. True, some are better than others, but I'm happy to experience them. Play around with all the holidays you want. Just leave Groundhog Day alone.
 
I think we ought to update our narrative of Thanksgiving and acknowledge the less savory parts of our history. But what's wrong with the 4th of July?

Do you just have some desire to piss on people and bring them down?

Christmas has its origins as a pagan festival, but what's it to you or anyone else if people want to think that Jesus was born in late December?

Geez. Some people are absolute mood-killers.
 
I cannot personally think of a single legitimate reason to cancel either holiday. Celebrating Independence Day could only (with a severe stretch) offend the Brits, since we're celebrating our independence from them... but I don't know of a single Brit who is offended by our 4th of July celebrations. As for Thanksgiving glorifying the killing of Native Americans, WTF??? Doesn't it celebrate a meal shared with colonists and Native Americans together?

Please spare me the tale about it really being when the colonists slaughtered an Indian village to steal all their food. That's speculative rubbish. Even if our current story of the first Thanksgiving is a myth... no eye witnesses at this point... it's a "myth" of coming together, not tearing apart.
 
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.

Huh??? I've been a minority all my life and Thanksgiving as well as the 4th of July have always been 2 of my favorite holidays. I don't think I'm different from most other minorities in that regard. What I do see as a slight problem is although the overwhelming majority of minorities in this country enthusiastically celebrate holidays like Thanksgiving Day, Independence Day and St. Patrick's Day; there is not anywhere near the level of support by non-minorities in the celebration of observances like Martin Luther King Day, Juneteenth and Black History Month. In fact, many non-minorities actually resent these observances, let alone refuse to celebrate them. I'd love to see the day when we are truly one nation, under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. I firmly believe if non-minorities gave the same level of enthusiasm toward BHM, MLK Day, etc. as minorities give to honoring Irish American heritage on St. Patrick's Day and honoring the Mayflower Pilgrims; much of the remaining limited racial divide that still exists would be gone in short order.

But to answer your question, if you asked most minorities, at least blacks would have a conniption fit at the suggestion of ending Thanksgiving and the 4th of July and would continue to celebrate them anyway.
BONUS: Most blacks think Kwanza is a joke. We all need friends of different races.
 
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