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Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

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If they removed either of those holidays from the list of federally recognized holidays for "insensitivity" purposes, I would begin a very loud and abrasive crusade to expel MLK Day from the ranks as well.

If you're offended by a holiday, sack up and shut up.
 
Dapper Andy said:
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
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So don't hang a flag and don't buy a turkey. Simple as that.
 
GottaGo said:
A wee bit of a time difference between the two occasions....

Thanksgiving was celebrated WITH the Native Americans. The atrocities came later...
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And so after we did not need them we killed them off or forced relocated them . Is that a reason to celebrate it .
 
Un biased said:
And so after we did not need them we killed them off or forced relocated them . Is that a reason to celebrate it .
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*sigh*
Because something bad happened later, we should deny the good that happened first?

It's not like the Pilgrims turned around and slaughtered their dinner guests.....
 
Un biased said:
And so after we did not need them we killed them off or forced relocated them . Is that a reason to celebrate it .
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Just so you know, if you ever buy or wear gold jewelry, you're a raving hypocrite. There were probably more Indians killed in the pinnacles of Manifest Destiny gold rush than when the Pilgrims first landed.
 
Dapper Andy said:
Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
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Perhaps it would helpful if your "nephews" understood the modern celebration of Thanksgiving, as decreed by President Lincoln in 1863. As to July 4, I can't understand why any rational person living in the United States would object.

Thanksgiving (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the middle of the American Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln, prompted by a series of editorials written by Sarah Josepha Hale,[1] proclaimed a national Thanksgiving Day, to be celebrated on the final Thursday in November 1863.

Excerpt:

I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility and Union.

Since 1863, Thanksgiving has been observed annually in the United States​
 
GottaGo said:
*sigh*
Because something bad happened later, we should deny the good that happened first?

It's not like the Pilgrims turned around and slaughtered their dinner guests.....
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Yes but the holiday is a bit wrong since we did slaughter their people the moment they got into the way of expansion . Deny the good because what exactly did the natives do beside good till America turned on them . Yes they had saved the Plymouth colony which was good and we should thank the natives but it set a motion that had killed millions of their people , it's like putting salt into ones wounds .
 
Gipper said:
Just so you know, if you ever buy or wear gold jewelry, you're a raving hypocrite. There were probably more Indians killed in the pinnacles of Manifest Destiny gold rush than when the Pilgrims first landed.
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Actually more died in the trail of tears , then anything .
 
Un biased said:
Yes but the holiday is a bit wrong since we did slaughter their people the moment they got into the way of expansion . Deny the good because what exactly did the natives do beside good till America turned on them . Yes they had saved the Plymouth colony which was good and we should thank the natives but it set a motion that had killed millions of their people , it's like putting salt into ones wounds .
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As much as I dislike what was done to the Natives, we cannot change what has happened, nor can any living person today be held responsible for what happened then.

Then, perhaps, birthdays should not be celebrated either, because it is also a day someone else died somewhere.

I see the positive in life, you see the negative. So be it.
 
GottaGo said:
As much as I dislike what was done to the Natives, we cannot change what has happened, nor can any living person today be held responsible for what happened then.

Then, perhaps, birthdays should not be celebrated either, because it is also a day someone else died somewhere.

I see the positive in life, you see the negative. So be it.
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So you cant refute my statements anymore can you . You need to thing positive and negative . Their is good and bad things about the holiday but people only see the good and entirely negate the bad and understanding the holiday is lost and it becomes a excuse to eat in excessive amounts . Birthdays are neutral for me since I understand it is a year closer to death but a year more of new experience and days I have had the pleasure of enjoying , unlike so many as a excuse to eat cake . Life is not half full or half empty anyway you look at it is the same amount either way which is in the middle .
 
Un biased said:
So you cant refute my statements anymore can you . You need to thing positive and negative . Their is good and bad things about the holiday but people only see the good and entirely negate the bad and understanding the holiday is lost and it becomes a excuse to eat in excessive amounts . Birthdays are neutral for me since I understand it is a year closer to death but a year more of new experience and days I have had the pleasure of enjoying , unlike so many as a excuse to eat cake . Life is not half full or half empty anyway you look at it is the same amount either way which is in the middle .
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Yes, but to see things your way just makes you miserable. Having that perspective on holidays is what makes someone sit in a dark basement, brooding on the internet.
 
Un biased said:
So you cant refute my statements anymore can you . You need to thing positive and negative . Their is good and bad things about the holiday but people only see the good and entirely negate the bad and understanding the holiday is lost and it becomes a excuse to eat in excessive amounts . Birthdays are neutral for me since I understand it is a year closer to death but a year more of new experience and days I have had the pleasure of enjoying , unlike so many as a excuse to eat cake . Life is not half full or half empty anyway you look at it is the same amount either way which is in the middle .
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There is no need to 'refute' your statements, you and I see things completely differently, and since it is entirely opinion based, I don't try and force my opinions on others.

Life is a matter of choices: Building block or stumbling block: choose.
 
Quag said:
I see no reason to cancel either of them
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of course July 4th should be celebrated (even though the date is probably not accurate). As far as Thanksgiving goes, what does it celebrate? If it's a day we set aside just to give thanks for our families and our good fortune -- a good harvest, why not? If it's to celebrate what we did to Indians, no. We celebrate it as a day to be thankful for what we have, but we also taught our kids about the raw deal dealt to Indians ...
 
GottaGo said:
Thanksgiving has to do with the death of the Native people or did I just read this wrong?

If so, that is a new one on me.....
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History records there was but one Thanksgiving. After showing the mostly city dwelling Europeans how to grow crops most of the native Americans who shared their food with the Europeans died of smallpox over that winter/spring so a sequel was sorta out of the question. :(

I'd vote for ending Thanksgiving, even though I love hunting wild turkey for it, and go with Cinco de Mayo. Much better to have a spring celebration- better for cookouts, family reunions and the travel associated with it, much wider selection of food, and of course beer...

Viva La Raza ya'll..... :2wave:
 
Gipper said:
Yes, but to see things your way just makes you miserable. Having that perspective on holidays is what makes someone sit in a dark basement, brooding on the internet.
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Actually I'm waiting for my ride 2: 45 at my schools library . Brooding no I'm responding to the thread. Miserable haven't you read the entire post you take the negatives with the positives life is a double edge sword . I am neutral I'm not black nor white but gray since life is . Overly positive or negative people are a bit endearing but I deal with . Their are 3 ways of looking at a glass half full half empty or in the middle .
 
Cyrylek said:
Also, I think everyone should wear burkas, just in case. Even men. Especially men, now that I think about it.
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Not burkas, blindfolds. Would do away with any need for burkas if all men wore blindfolds. :mrgreen:
 
notquiteright said:
History records there was but one Thanksgiving. After showing the mostly city dwelling Europeans how to grow crops most of the native Americans who shared their food with the Europeans died of smallpox over that winter/spring so a sequel was sorta out of the question. :(

I'd vote for ending Thanksgiving, even though I love hunting wild turkey for it, and go with Cinco de Mayo. Much better to have a spring celebration- better for cookouts, family reunions and the travel associated with it, much wider selection of food, and of course beer...

Viva La Raza ya'll..... :2wave:
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There is always Beltane...... :wink:

All About Beltane - What is Beltane
 
GottaGo said:
There is no need to 'refute' your statements, you and I see things completely differently, and since it is entirely opinion based, I don't try and force my opinions on others.

Life is a matter of choices: Building block or stumbling block: choose.
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So if the other post weren't you trying to refute them what were trying to do . If you weren't trying to force your opoins why are you telling me them in the first place ? I quoted no one but you felt the need to object for what reason .
 
Un biased said:
So if the other post weren't you trying to refute them what were trying to do . If you weren't trying to force your opoins why are you telling me them in the first place ? I quoted no one but you felt the need to object for what reason .
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Since I didn't see the correlation between the original celebration and death of Natives, I questioned your statement.
 
GottaGo said:
Since I didn't see the correlation between the original celebration and death of Natives, I questioned your statement.
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Questioning good answer :bravo:. . What do you mean when you said Original celebration .
 
I think we need more holidays that revolve around turkey and drinking, not less. I could do without the bottle rockets, though.
 
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