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    Re: Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    No, we should not stop celebrating them. I'm curious exactly which 'changing demographics' find the 4th of July and thanksgiving offensive. I'm guessing they're the same people who would find excuses to be offended about anything we chose to celebrate in their place, simply because they enjoy being offended by things.
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    Re: Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

    I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
    Your nephew embraces a strange political viewpoint with the 4th of July.

    Actually, in the past, it was seen as justified to remove racial minorities, especially African Americans from claiming intellectual heritage of the United States or its rhetoric. It raised troubling questions for whites. In the aftermath of the Denmark Vesey conspiracy and trials, whites in South Carolina attempted to restrict and strictly define the role of blacks (both free and slave) in America. Many times whites were troubled with the knowledge that intellectually, African Americans were hearing about the rhetoric of the war for Independence and thereafter, and took it seriously.

    One author, writing on scripture and its relationship with slaves also observed that, "The celebration of the Fourth of July, belongs exclusively to the white population of the United States"; that, "In this, the Negroes had no concern." "It therefore appears to me, improper to allow these people to be present on these occasions," because they would then "imbibe false notions of their personal rights, and give reality in their minds, to what has no real existence."

    In other words, to uphold slavery and the racial divisions of the United States, one needed to make sure African Americans were separated from the intellectual and cultural heritage of the U.S. Failure to do so would mean that African Americans would learn that they have the same rights and dreams as the whites.
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    Re: Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

    I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
    I find such holidays redundant for other reasons relating to my beliefs. Not because they are "insensitive" to minorities, that sort of argument is absurd.
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    Re: Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

    I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
    Your nephews are actually offended by Thanksgiving and July 4?

    Your nephews need to get more in their lives.

    How the heck can a rational, well-adjusted person be offended by Thanksgiving of July 4?

    Find them silly or not relevant - especially Turkey Day - fine.

    But offended?

    Weird.


    Thanksgiving means football to me and the start of Christmas season...so I like it.

    July 4 - the stock markets close with little other benefit...so I don't like it.

    I have been self-employed for most of my adult life...so holidays don't affect me much; when I want a holiday, I can usually just take one.
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    Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Because no matter how hijacked our country becomes, it hasn't been hijacked enough until they've taken away the celebration of the founding of our nation. At that point we might as well burn the constitution and come up with a new name for the country, because its certainly not the USA anymore.
    There's no substantial intellectual movement to remove the 4th of July. The most substantive move has been to include more groups in the narrative of the American experiment.
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    Re: Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There's no substantial intellectual movement to remove the 4th of July. The most substantive move has been to include more groups in the narrative of the American experiment.
    All the "groups" that helped in the Revolution are noted in history, but it is convenient to forget about that when one has an agenda to further. The Fourth, as it has been celebrated, has no mention of any particular group...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Should the United States do away with Thanksgiving and the 4th of July as designated public holidays in favor of something more inline with changing demographics?

    I chalk up most of my nephews political views to being college age but over a weekend BBQ they seemed pretty adamant that some of our public (federally recognized) holidays were insensitive to minorities in this country. They seemed to view Thanksgiving and July 4th as particularly offensive.
    Giving thanks and getting fat of turkey is not insensitive to minorities.
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    Re: Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There's no substantial intellectual movement to remove the 4th of July. The most substantive move has been to include more groups in the narrative of the American experiment.
    I'm well aware that there is no substantial intellectual movement to remove the 4th of July. But I reserve the right to call anyone who does argue for the removal of the 4th of July an indoctrinated nutcase.

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    Re: Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Reversion to a Pagan holiday? Say it ain't so.....



    Its based on an astronomical event, so no religious belief is necessary to observe the beginning of the end of winter. Also, most religious holidays at that time of year probably derived from solstice celebrations.

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    Re: Should we cancel Thanksgiving and the 4th of July?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    All holidays are insensitive to the clinically depressed and the pathologically humorless - two minorities that seem to be growing by leaps and bounds. And even if we replace all current festivities with one egalitarian Day When You Buy Gifts For No Reason Whatsoever, it will be deeply offensive for the very poor, the anti-commercialists, and the stingy. Ergo, no more holidays, period.

    Also, I think everyone should wear burkas, just in case. Even men. Especially men, now that I think about it.
    Makes sense to me.

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