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Thread: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    The vote so far clearly indicates that this amnesty and legalization bill is not supported by conservatives, so I don't know where the announcer referenced in the OP got his "facts" that conservatives would support this injustice against American citizens.

    Though siding with true centrists in wanting to kill the bill, many conservatives have faced the facts and they know that if the 20 million illegals receive citizenship it will sound the death knell for the Republican Party, the party to which most conservatives belong, as the majority of the 20 million illegals, once pardoned and legalized, would vote for their working-man kin and commonly known champions: the liberal Dems.

    Thus many conservatives are against the bill for different reasons than the great majority of Americans, those who are centrists.

    True centrists, those who support both liberty and justice for all American citizens, are opposed to anything that deals such a blow of injustice to American citizens as passing this bill would do.

    Many conservatives simply don't want the liberals, the Democrats, to thus obtain nearly ever-lasting power that passing this bill would cause even if not passing this bill means comparatively higher wages would be paid to workers at owner-management expense, business owners being the darlings of the Republican Party.
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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I heard a commercial on the radio the other day that discussed the immigration bill and applauded the conservatives for "moving the country forward" by approving of this bill. How many conservatives here on DP are for this bill?
    No true conservative can be in favor of doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons.
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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    a large portion of those who do it "legally" do so through kickbacks to local officials. People shouldn't be able to "buy" their way to citizenship. That is just as big of a fiasco as those who come here illegally.
    Perhaps we should just take an idea from the Scandanavian countries you liberals love so much and just start severely restricting immigrantion?

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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    The vote so far clearly indicates that this amnesty and legalization bill is not supported by conservatives, so I don't know where the announcer referenced in the OP got his "facts" that conservatives would support this injustice against American citizens.

    Though siding with true centrists in wanting to kill the bill, many conservatives have faced the facts and they know that if the 20 million illegals receive citizenship it will sound the death knell for the Republican Party, the party to which most conservatives belong, as the majority of the 20 million illegals, once pardoned and legalized, would vote for their working-man kin and commonly known champions: the liberal Dems.

    Thus many conservatives are against the bill for different reasons than the great majority of Americans, those who are centrists.

    True centrists, those who support both liberty and justice for all American citizens, are opposed to anything that deals such a blow of injustice to American citizens as passing this bill would do.

    Many conservatives simply don't want the liberals, the Democrats, to thus obtain nearly ever-lasting power that passing this bill would cause even if not passing this bill means comparatively higher wages would be paid to workers at owner-management expense, business owners being the darlings of the Republican Party.

    Well, I suppose it's possible you are correct about the vote thing for some Conservatives.

    On the other hand, it seems quite likely the only reason Democrats have been pandering to the illegal alien crowd is solely for the purpose you have claimed. For the votes.

    Not sure how concern for that equates to a negative for Conservatives.

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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not support any immigration reform bill that contains amnesty,pathway to citizenship, work permits, dream acts or any other form of amnesty. Because what will happen is that any enforcement measures will be revoked or neutered once the 12-20 millions have legal status.
    Heya JR .....and that's another part of the Workers permits and Visas for Alleged Skilled Techs and Engineers. Same thing for Student Visas.

    Which for some reason all want to increase those numbers. What I don't understand is this new add on about taking in more unskilled laborers. That just doesn't make sense at all.

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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Perhaps we should just take an idea from the Scandanavian countries you liberals love so much and just start severely restricting immigrantion?
    If I'm not mistaken, it's one of the reasons the Scandinavian countries didn't join the EU - and why many countries that did rue the day they agreed to accept as residents anyone who holds a valid passport for one of the EU countries - some are being inundated with radical muslims holding French passports from Northern Africa.
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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    On the other hand, it seems quite likely the only reason Democrats have been pandering to the illegal alien crowd is solely for the purpose you have claimed. For the votes.
    Though most liberal Dem leaders are rousing the rabble with ideological messages for the purppose of exhorting the rank-and-file to push this amnesty and legalization bill for the Dem leaders' power-play agenda ..

    .. There are quite a number of liberal Dems who actually succumb ideologically and are thus compelled as "the right thing to do" in support of amnesty and legalization for 20 million illegals at the injustice expense of millions of their fellow American citizens and the entire American citizenry.

    This is a very, very sad commentary on what it means to be a liberal Democrat.
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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    Plus, Obama wants the Stipulation concerning Civil unions to be placed into the package. Schumer, McCain, we should have them taken out of this equation. All due to costs.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — To some conservatives, it's amnesty.

    To some immigration advocates, it's unnecessarily punitive.

    The Senate's new bipartisan immigration bill drew criticism from the right and from the left Tuesday — convincing members of the bipartisan "Gang of Eight" that wrote it that they're on the right track.

    "This has something for everybody to hate," said Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz.

    Said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., "No one gets everything they want."

    Schumer and another leader of the effort, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., met with President Barack Obama on Tuesday to brief him on the bill, a top second-term priority for the president. Obama issued a statement after the meeting supporting the Senate effort and urging action.

    "This bill is clearly a compromise, and no one will get everything they wanted, including me. But it is largely consistent with the principles that I have repeatedly laid out for comprehensive reform," Obama said. "I urge the Senate to quickly move this bill forward and, as I told Sens. Schumer and McCain, I stand willing to do whatever it takes to make sure that comprehensive immigration reform becomes a reality as soon as possible."

    The legislation would dramatically remake the U.S. immigration system, ushering in new visa programs for low- and high-skilled workers, requiring a tough new focus on border security, instituting a new requirement for all employers to check the legal status of their workers, and installing a path to citizenship for 11 million immigrants in the country illegally.....snip~

    Criticism of immigration bill from left and right

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigr...tion-bill.html

    6.3 trillion plus costs. Which there is no tally on the costs.

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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya JR .....and that's another part of the Workers permits and Visas for Alleged Skilled Techs and Engineers. Same thing for Student Visas.

    Which for some reason all want to increase those numbers. What I don't understand is this new add on about taking in more unskilled laborers. That just doesn't make sense at all.
    One of the reasons for supporting illegal immigration and looser visa standards is to undermine the wages of American workers.People on lower wages tend to be dependent on the state.
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    Re: Conservatives Only -- Are you for the Gang of 8 Immigration Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I will never support any bill that grants amnesty to illegal criminals, period. It's one thing to require them to go through the same process as other legal immigrants, I might even support them staying in the country during the process, and certainly we need to streamline the process so that it doesn't take as long, but to just give people a free pass because they crawled over a fence or swam across a river is stupid. We ought to fine them extra, in addition to requiring they pay all back taxes owed, before letting them stay anyhow. Criminal behavior for *ANY* reason ought not be rewarded.
    Exactly.

    The safety and welfare of American citizens must be the first priority. I'm not sure those in non-border states appreciate fully how porous the border is and how dangerous it can be for American citizens in their own cities and towns. The border must be secured.

    The criminals must be sent back home. Some are not just here illegally; they're here committing crimes. Many are overcrowding hospitals by giving birth to "anchor babies." Diseases once eradicated in this country, including TB, are back in resistant forms.

    Those who are here illegally have to go, and if they want to become citizens, they have to begin at the back of the line and go through the process fair and square.

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