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Thread: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not about what Snowden said or didn't say. It's about the Director of the NSA releasing details about how they used the information to stop terrorist attacks. "Here terrorists, here's where you messed up. For future reference so that you don't do that again."

    I don't care about the evil "mainstream media." I do care about the Director of the NSA releasing details that terrorists could use to take notes for the future. I don't agree with what was done, I didn't agree when Bush did similar things, and I don't agree with Obama about doing them now.
    You refused to answer one of my questions. HOW does this compromise our national security??

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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not about what Snowden said or didn't say. It's about the Director of the NSA releasing details about how they used the information to stop terrorist attacks. "Here terrorists, here's where you messed up. For future reference so that you don't do that again."

    I don't care about the evil "mainstream media." I do care about the Director of the NSA releasing details that terrorists could use to take notes for the future. I don't agree with what was done, I didn't agree when Bush did similar things, and I don't agree with Obama about doing them now.
    Valid concerns, but there is a poll out there showing that 26% of those on the left consider the Tea Party to be the main terrorist threat to the United States http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._terror_threat.

    We also have irrefutable evidence that, using information provided to them, which they unlawfully shared with others, the IRS specifically targeted Conservative groups in an effective effort to suppress any opposition to the present administration.

    If the American government considers peaceful opposing American groups to be the enemy, then even traditionalist Americans would seem to be considered a big part of the terrorist threat by the White House. That sort of Administration behavior must be rooted out, exposed and stopped. It is not harmless behavior and reveals an intention to defeat the freedoms of the American way of life.
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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    You refused to answer one of my questions. HOW does this compromise our national security??
    If the terrorists take the information that's released and take notes on how they were caught, they can be sure to do things differently next time. Which could result in a successful terrorist attack.

    I do this sort of thing for a living - I test software and tell the developers what isn't working so they can figure out how to make it work. You take the information released, then you know what didn't work and possibly figure out how to make it work.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Valid concerns, but there is a poll out there showing that 26% of those on the left consider the Tea Party to be the main terrorist threat to the United States 26% of Obama Supporters View Tea Party as Nation.

    We also have irrefutable evidence that, using information provided to them, which they unlawfully shared with others, the IRS specifically targeted Conservative groups in an effective effort to suppress any opposition to the present administration.

    If the American government considers peaceful opposing American groups to be the enemy, then even traditionalist Americans would seem to be considered a big part of the terrorist threat by the White House. That sort of Administration behavior must be rooted out, exposed and stopped. It is not harmless behavior and reveals an intention to defeat the freedoms of the American way of life.
    Well nobody here was talking about the Tea Party....so I don't know where you're going with this.


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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If the terrorists take the information that's released and take notes on how they were caught, they can be sure to do things differently next time. Which could result in a successful terrorist attack.

    I do this sort of thing for a living - I test software and tell the developers what isn't working so they can figure out how to make it work. You take the information released, then you know what didn't work and possibly figure out how to make it work.
    The terrorists already know they're tapped! That's why the FBI and the CIA have to decrypt codes...they are well aware they are being tapped! This did not compromise our national security in anyway other then the fact that if the government continues to do unconstitutional things that they will be probably be overthrown.

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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes it does make me suspicious, and should make anyone suspicious. Our government lies to us constantly and tries to hide infromation from us constantly. The very fact that we are discussing the NSA secretely collecting all that data should be enough evidence of that. You can't tell me that it takes a week to find the relevent data when they are specifically suppose to be looking for that data in the first place. The data being evidence of terrorist plots...at least that is what they told us was the reason behind all that data gathering. I mean seriously, all that it should take is to go to the specific department in the NSA that is conducting this "investigation" and pull the files out of a cabinet or pull it from the computer and put it on a disk. Something which should take all of 5 seconds to pull from a cabinet and at most a half hour to put on a disc if its a ton of files or just a few seconds if its just a few files. Surely they've got a section of "solved" cases right?
    And if the terrorists learn how we analyse data you do not believe they could use it to better hide their actions in the future?
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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    While reading this CNN article regarding the NSA scandal, and the idea that this helped prevent many acts of terrorism, one quote piqued my interest:



    And, watching other news stations have heard similar things.

    [I do wonder, do they mean next Monday, not today but a week from today?]

    My question is, doesn't that make any of you suspicious?

    I mean, sure editing may have to be done to remove information that, if revealed, may actually pose some sort of a threat perhaps, but if these acts by the NSA did help the way they are claiming they have, don't you think that it would already be on record in some form? IF so, wouldn't that mean it is a matter of compiling the information, editing it if needed, and whatnot? How does that, which I've heard "is coming" since last week if I remember correctly, take that long?

    Now, I'm not saying anything funny is going on, just that it feels wrong, suspicious, and my bull**** meter is going off.
    Honestly, I think they're just lying. They're going to try to concoct some stories here to deflect. The question wasn't about the effectiveness of the program, it's about its constitutionality. I think they're going to spin as many stories as possible for a few reasons. A) To talk about the effects rather than the legality. B) Rile up emotions, don't let people respond rationally. The second part will also entail claims that national security has been violated and that terrorists are changing tactics because of the leak. Everything is aimed to get pressure and eyes off of government's role in the matter.

    I don't think there's any functional change in my probabilities of death since the leak, but they can't allow people to think about their involvement so they'll lie and mislead us to protect themselves and their corporate buddies. Which in the end is what this comes down to.
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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And if the terrorists learn how we analyse data you do not believe they could use it to better hide their actions in the future?
    If they were detailing plans over unsecured lines of communication like cell phones, I'm not worried. They're stupid and we'll be able to find them.
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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And if the terrorists learn how we analyse data you do not believe they could use it to better hide their actions in the future?
    The cat is already out of the bag. What is being asked for: proof that terrorist plots were thwarted using this gathering technique has nothing to do with how the intelligence was gathered or analysed.
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    Re: "The information may be available as soon as Monday" [NSA scandal] suspicious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If they were detailing plans over unsecured lines of communication like cell phones, I'm not worried. They're stupid and we'll be able to find them.
    If it was something obvious like that I doubt the NSA would have any issues at all "revealing" that information.
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