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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    While both parties are rife with tendencies toward corruption, the Dems have the greater.

    That is because they represent the left and while the left may have good intentions, their methods of meeting those intentions is almost always based upon corrupt ideals. Leftism is by it's very nature a corruption of human nature and corrupting of human societies.
    Corrupt ideals ?
    Like, all people should be treated fairly ?
    Please elaborate.. I cannot believe that any sane man would not agree with the premise that all men should be treated equally and fairly......"all men" EXCLUDES NO one...

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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Corrupt ideals ?
    Like, all people should be treated fairly ?
    Please elaborate.. I cannot believe that any sane man would not agree with the premise that all men should be treated equally and fairly......"all men" EXCLUDES NO one...
    Yes, corrupt ideals. Saying achievement and what one gets is the measure of equality is corruption of the natural order.

    How is taking away from one to give to another "treating all fairly"?
    How is proclaiming one groups greed to be right, while calling another's greed wrong?

    I can believe that any sane man would consider people gaining or suffering due to their own choices is not treating everyone equally and fairly. How is the results of someone's choices a measure of fairness? Is not true fairness the opportunity to make the most one's talents and abilities, not whether an individual succeeds or fails?

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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    Historically it has to be the Republican Party. The boss-run system of the DNC before 1933 pales in comparison to the spectacularly crooked regime inaugurated by Ulysses Grant - the gold shock being only the most public example - and continuing through to Teapot Dome. It took virtually the whole attention of the Hoover Administration to root out those influences. The Democratic Party was assuredly corrupt as well - what with Tammany Hall sachems running the North and Klan wizards in the South - but Democratic corruption never quite influenced national politics the way Republican corruption did in, say, the Presidential election of 1876. It got even worse in the GOP when the Klan in Indiana shifted Republican in the 1920s.

    Today? It's about a wash. The Party out of the national majority can always be counted on to pretend to be squeaky clean.
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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    With the recent focus on data mining of Americans, many are making comparisons to the Nixon era Watergate scandal. In fact, it seems any political scandal involving the White House typically gets the suffix "-gate" added to the name often by whichever political party is the opposition to the White House at the time in order to associate the scandal with Watergate. I'm listening to a talk radio show right now chronicling the details of Watergate and its making me think, which of the two major parties has a greater level of corrupt tendencies in its culture, DNA and history?

    I hope this doesn't come across as implying either party overwhelmed by a lack of integrity but simply on the thankfully rare instances when corrupt behavior and tendencies do occur, is it more likely to be democrat or Republican.

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    In today's world it's almost impossible for politics not to have corruption. So that includes both the Democratic and Republican parties are corrupt. No I do not agree that they are equally corrupt and to find out which one has been more corrupted in the history of our nation one would have to study a whole lot of history. Both parties have comitted stupid errors and mistakes that has somehow effected the country in a negative way.

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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    There are a lot of civilizations that looked to the behaviors of their ancestors -- behaviors that had lapsed in the present day -- and discerned some that, if properly adapted (not just copied, but adapted) to current problems could yield effective results.

    While it was politically radical because it displaced the historical and legal authority of the Roman Senate and replaced it with that of a single despot, the Augustan Reforms were in other ways socially and culturally conservative. They ended centuries of military and economic turmoil and ushered an age of peace and prosperity and growth that persisted so long, that, rather than only being recognized in retrospect, it acquired a name in its own time: Pax Romana (Roman Peace). Even generations of bad emperors and mis-administration could not deliver the death blow to this period of history, characterized by robust middle classes, public safety, population growth, technological advancement (it is conceivable that Romans might have landed on the moon a thousand years ago had their empire remained stable) and all the hallmarks of a successful society.

    Those choices were appropriate at that time, but they were authored and overseen by a genius who (1) already had absolute power and (2) needed nothing other than these policies to succeed to keep it that way.

    For the GOP of the post 80s and the special interests that support them, the situation is entirely different. They are rather more like the Roman Senators who got replaced by Augustus, spurred on by impossible ambitions and checkmated into destructive behaviors. Like the senators, they can't go forward, backward, or sideways. They can only get hemmed in where they stand until they suffocate.

    In the meanwhile, they harm everyone.
    I suppose you have a fair point. I just wouldn't stop at "conservative". In theory, both parties/ideologies claim to have the interests of the most people in mind, or of the middle class, or of the worst off, or some other version of the "greater good."

    But I haven't seen a lot of greater good come from either major political party, looking as far back as either party existed (with the notable exceptions of the end of slavery and the ongoing Civil Rights movement - including suffrage and gay rights).
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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    They are slower getting there, but in my opinion are almost as bad as the democrats right now.

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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Yes, corrupt ideals. Saying achievement and what one gets is the measure of equality is corruption of the natural order.

    How is taking away from one to give to another "treating all fairly"?
    How is proclaiming one groups greed to be right, while calling another's greed wrong?

    I can believe that any sane man would consider people gaining or suffering due to their own choices is not treating everyone equally and fairly. How is the results of someone's choices a measure of fairness? Is not true fairness the opportunity to make the most one's talents and abilities, not whether an individual succeeds or fails?

    No adult person deserves anything they have not earned for themselves, not even their own lives.
    Yeah..... nobody ever deserves a helping hand in America.



    I mean - those people were just dumb enough to chose to live there. Screw them. I'm late for my surf & turf dinner at the local 5 star restaurant.

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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Yeah..... nobody ever deserves a helping hand in America.



    I mean - those people were just dumb enough to chose to live there. Screw them. I'm late for my surf & turf dinner at the local 5 star restaurant.
    Ever hear of this thing called insurance? Your confusing emergency management/relief with welfare, medicaid, and other social programs. Big difference. But then when you cannot argue normal, one must bring up extremes because someone didn't list out every possible scenario.

    Nope, I'm not late for my surf and turf dinner, the restaurant was located in Moore. The tornado that hit Shawnee the day prior to the one in Moore passed app one mile from my house in Ok. The one that went through Moore lifted app 10 miles due west of me. Which reminds me, I still need to get the repairs the hail damage to one of my cars fixed. Thanks for the reminder.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    I voted Republican because of the Republican mantra that "What is good for business is good for America," and although it sounds good, it translates to, "What is good for business is usually bad for people." Both parties are corrupt, and corrupted by money and power, but it is not the "people" that have the money and power. Banks seem to own our gov't at this time by creating a crisis and then requiring a huge economic bailout because they are "Too big to fail." Too big to fail means they are the trigger domino in a chain of dominoes and if one fails, they all go down. Bank money is not building small businesses or any business for that matter, as indicated by our economic malaise. Get gov't money to the small entrepreneurs and businesses will start and grow.

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    Re: Which major politic party has greater degree of corrupt tendencies in its cultur

    I voted they are equally corrupt.

    It is clear to any observer of our system of government that it does not matter which party is in power, they both serve the needs of whichever corporate or banking elite puts contributions into their campaign warchests. Candidates only give lip service to constituents during election cycles to garner votes, and they simply design their campaigns around the hot button topics of each particular constituency. But once in office, they show their true colors every time.

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