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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, bigotry is part of every culture. It's a human condition. As is today's urgent obsession to run from the truth of matters for fear of being labeled a bigot. But let's look at this....

    Bigotry is insisting that Arab Muslims can only behave under dictators as Medusa (a Muslim Turk) is preaching. Bigotry is insisting that the very few radicals in the crowd speak for the entire Arab Muslim population and therefore need handled thusly. Bigotry is insisting that democracy can work everywhere in the world except where Arab Muslims make the majority. See, that's bigotry.

    Pointing out that Muslims must slaughter each other to get to the other side is a fact of history. It's what even Europeans had to do. In fact, Europeans fancied themselves two World Wars in order to move past their tribal mentalities and territory disputes. And when the Cold War ended and Yugoslavia cracked apart, what ensued? Tribal slaughter. Do you know why? Because unlike the rest of Europe, Yugoslavia was the only country after World War II not to have its borders re-drawn to reflect tribal identities. What do you think the entire MENA is going through right now? The MENA suffers from bad borders created by colonial Europeans and later maintained by U.S./Soviet Cold War influences.

    Bigotry? I'm merely educated. Ignorance breeds bigotry and zealous political correctness breeds ignorance.

    bigotry is also referring to the president as the food stamp president, calling him a Muslim when he's not, saying he wasn't born here, saying he doesn't understand America, saying he's a dictator and should stay in Africa after his upcoming trip there, etc. ... you're right, bigotry can take many, many forms, and as long as human beings have group interests, bigotry will serve a purpose ... it is not simply about ignorance (although ignorance helps to perpetuate it) ... it serves a purpose ...

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Are you talking about recovery plans like the Marshall Plan, as promoted by the United States, in the post World War II? Northern Africans were also invited to come and work in Europe. I'm pretty sure Europe's recovered now. With young French and German students unable to find work in a routinely high unemployment environment they want you to go home now.
    your racism is genetic ?
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you believe that Obama's public support for the Syrian Rebels by arming them a diversionary foreign policy tactic?
    I think it's a stupid, short-sighted move that involves us in yet another war we don't need to be sticking our noses in.
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    A simple slogan that works for simple problems.

    Syria isn't sorting itself out is it? Syria has had events border events that threatened Turkey's involvement. Turkey is a member of NATO, which would involve others. Syria has also had Hezbollah, financed by Iran, get involved. Israel has bombed into Syria to attack Hezbollah fighters who are gun running. Hezbollah is based in Lebanon. When will Syrian forces attack Hezbollah camps in Lebanon? So what we have here is a local civil issue in Syria that has, so far, involved Turkey, Iran, Lebanon, and Israel. And of course Russia has been supplying arms to the Syrian government. Right before your very eyes you are witnessing an escalation of countries into what seemed to be something very minor.

    Sort itself out? You sound like the many people in the first half of the 20th century who insisted that small problems in Europe need only to sort itself out. Perhaps we should do nothing and pretend that we can go untouched as the region explodes into World War. That way, we can spend far more and bleed more for what should have been tackled when it was more manageable.
    While I understand NONCOM's aren't use to dealing with the "Big Picture" -- looking at my post do you not see the short-sightedness of aiding in one campaign those we are fighting against in several others?

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    While I understand NONCOM's aren't use to dealing with the "Big Picture" -- looking at my post do you not see the short-sightedness of aiding in one campaign those we are fighting against in several others?
    The military as a whole isn't used to dealing with big pictures. They aren't trained for it and lack the education necessary. It's why our troops ask why they are in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. For that matter, many of our diplomats aren't trained for it either, which is why they constantly create bigger issues from small ones.

    Virtually everything happening in the Middle East is based on near sightedness and believe it or not it is because the West has chosen the easy paths. It's all dangerous. Doing nothing is dangerous. But too much is based on momentary event with long term consequences that we pretend is impossible to assess. The Syrian situation is black/white according to the West. We see one of the last dictators in the region blocking democracy against rebels who seek to topple him. What is actually happening in Syria is tribal warfare. To complicate matters the rebels have been infiltrated by radicals who represent those types we are fighting against in several other countries.

    The Alawites compose the Syrian government and are the minority. The rebels are almost entirely Sunni. If the Sunni topple the Alawite tribe, the Alawites face cleansing so the Alawites will fight against the rebels.

    None of this matters because, once again, this is the easier path and none of our leaders in Washington will address the true issue and the ultimate fix. Some of this is because they don't know how to fix what think is unfixable. Some of this is because they are plain stupid. The ultimate fix is to re-draw the borders. Syria suffers from tribal makeup. Iraq suffers from tribal makeup. Though Lebanon gave it its best effort, it too suffers from tribal makeup. Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan/Pakistan, etc. They all suffer from tribal makeup. All of this was the creation of European World War victors and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Yugoslavia cracked apart immediately after the Cold War because it was the only nation in Europe not to have its borders re-drawn after WWII and suffered from tribal makeup. The slaughter in Sudan saw a new border created years ago because the tribe makeup demanded that they do so. Everywhere in the world we see healthy nations because the populations within are comprised of like minded people or individual tribe.

    But, you know what the easy path is? Supporting rebels against dictators and pretending that everything happening can fall under the Arab Spring umbrella and passing the mess on to the next diplomat and president. In the end, it will not sort itself out. Somebody is going to have to call the tribes to the table and pull out a map. It's certainly more than what Europeans did far from the region when they pulled out a map and their Crayolas and started slashing.

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    bigotry is also referring to the president as the food stamp president, calling him a Muslim when he's not, saying he wasn't born here, saying he doesn't understand America, saying he's a dictator and should stay in Africa after his upcoming trip there, etc. ... you're right, bigotry can take many, many forms, and as long as human beings have group interests, bigotry will serve a purpose ... it is not simply about ignorance (although ignorance helps to perpetuate it) ... it serves a purpose ...
    .......I didn't say any of this.......perhaps you are mistaken who you replied to?

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    your racism is genetic ?
    I'm not sure where you are getting the racism in my post. Aren't you the Muslim Turk that prefers that Arab Muslims fall under dictators because they don't know how to behave without them?

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Yes.
    I feel like a Harry Potter quote would work here.
    "Oh, he'll try, I'm sure.... The usual empty words the usual slithering out of action"
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    I personally believe actions speak greater volumes than words. Obama can declare support for anything he wants, but acting on it is better.
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    .......I didn't say any of this.......perhaps you are mistaken who you replied to?
    I didn't say you did ... I was simply responding to your views on bigotry and adding to them more than anything ...

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you believe that Obama's public support for the Syrian Rebels by arming them a diversionary foreign policy tactic?

    To get an idea watch this short video: Escobar: Obama starts Syria war to deviate from Snowden scandal - YouTube

    Do you think its a tactic or do you think its tactic used by the Obama admin?

    I voted NO! I think it is a convenient tactic to feed the Military/Industrial Corporate Complex and also because our economy is at a point where permanent war is the only industry making jobs.

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