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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you believe that Obama's public support for the Syrian Rebels by arming them a diversionary foreign policy tactic?

    To get an idea watch this short video: Escobar: Obama starts Syria war to deviate from Snowden scandal - YouTube

    Do you think its a tactic or do you think its tactic used by the Obama admin?
    No, I just think it's bad politics.
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l agree diana

    thats why l have been trying to draw attention to fake springs .

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    It's very ironic to see a Muslim Turk preaching on the benefits of dictators in the Arab Muslim word, considering that Ataturk not only ended dictator rule in Turkey after WWI, but effectively ended 1400 years of Caliphate rule for all Muslims.

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    "Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." - ATATÜRK

    It's very ironic to see a Muslim Turk preaching on the benefits of dictators in the Arab Muslim word, considering that Ataturk not only ended dictator rule in Turkey after WWI, but effectively ended 1400 years of Caliphate rule for all Muslims.

    atatürk was not islamist either.................
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    atatürk was not islamist either.................
    And everybody in the Arab Spring chanting "democracy," not "caliphate", is?

    Well, the majority of the entire Middle East does not subscribe to oppressive rule or Islamic radicalism. The percentage is low. There are far more apathetic Muslims in the MENA than there are radicals or reformists. You seem to demand that they all suffer at the hands of the small minority. Doesn't Turkey have religious radicals? Perhaps to make the rest of us safe America should install a dictator to make you all behave. I'm sure Germans would prefer Turkey to have a ruler that keeps his people from immigrating across the border. Is this how it works or this how it is supposed to work for only other Muslims? My guess is that you would criticize America either way. To support the dictator or not to support the dictator, that is the burden of dealing with MENA Muslims I guess.

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    And everybody in the Arab Spring chanting "democracy," not "caliphate", is?

    Well, the majority of the entire Middle East does not subscribe to oppressive rule or Islamic radicalism. The percentage is low. There are far more apathetic Muslims in the MENA than there are radicals or reformists. You seem to demand that they all suffer at the hands of the small minority. Doesn't Turkey have religious radicals? Perhaps to make the rest of us safe America should install a dictator to make you all behave. I'm sure Germans would prefer Turkey to have a ruler that keeps his people from immigrating across the border. Is this how it works or this how it is supposed to work for only other Muslims? My guess is that you would criticize America either way. To support the dictator or not to support the dictator, that is the burden of dealing with MENA Muslims I guess.
    turks were invited to live and work in germany by german government .
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    That was Cold War mentality. That's over and has been for a very, very long time. People's mistake continues to be to pretend that we are forever stuck during that Cold War. Watching the Arab Spring take down these instruments of "stability" is exactly what we needed to do. If they slaughter each other along their way to more successful democracies, so be it. It's their culture. The sooner they are forced to take responsibility for their own civilization's failure the better and they weren't ever going to do it under Western supported dictators.
    Is bigotry part of our culture? Seems to be part of the con culture.

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    I guess that is just the perfect way of gaining control..the Americans are handing them weapons letting them take over the country and then they will do what they always do.

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    turks were invited to live and work in germany by german government .
    Are you talking about recovery plans like the Marshall Plan, as promoted by the United States, in the post World War II? Northern Africans were also invited to come and work in Europe. I'm pretty sure Europe's recovered now. With young French and German students unable to find work in a routinely high unemployment environment they want you to go home now.

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    Is bigotry part of our culture? Seems to be part of the con culture.
    Well, bigotry is part of every culture. It's a human condition. As is today's urgent obsession to run from the truth of matters for fear of being labeled a bigot. But let's look at this....

    Bigotry is insisting that Arab Muslims can only behave under dictators as Medusa (a Muslim Turk) is preaching. Bigotry is insisting that the very few radicals in the crowd speak for the entire Arab Muslim population and therefore need handled thusly. Bigotry is insisting that democracy can work everywhere in the world except where Arab Muslims make the majority. See, that's bigotry.

    Pointing out that Muslims must slaughter each other to get to the other side is a fact of history. It's what even Europeans had to do. In fact, Europeans fancied themselves two World Wars in order to move past their tribal mentalities and territory disputes. And when the Cold War ended and Yugoslavia cracked apart, what ensued? Tribal slaughter. Do you know why? Because unlike the rest of Europe, Yugoslavia was the only country after World War II not to have its borders re-drawn to reflect tribal identities. What do you think the entire MENA is going through right now? The MENA suffers from bad borders created by colonial Europeans and later maintained by U.S./Soviet Cold War influences.

    Bigotry? I'm merely educated. Ignorance breeds bigotry and zealous political correctness breeds ignorance.
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by Chinweubasmith View Post
    I guess that is just the perfect way of gaining control..the Americans are handing them weapons letting them take over the country and then they will do what they always do.
    America is a victim of its own successes and station. Because we are who we are, we are expected to do everything and to take the blame for everything. We have been placed on a pedestal and therefore every mistake or error we make gets defined as the lowest evil ever concocted in human history. Our great things are dismissed as simply tasks that we are supposed to do for them. Our apathy to not get involved makes us selfish as we are criticized for getting to the show late (WWI, WWII) or not at all (Rwanda, Sudan). Our involvement makes us interferers and interlopers to those who are on the wrong side or who are members of many of histories parties that we ruined along the way (Nazis, communists, fascists, etc.). Our imperfections makes us hypocrites whenever we do preach "right and wrong," yet the world hinges on what to do in accordance to America's decision making is so that we can take the blame for them.

    From the American perspective, we are screwed no matter what we do. We do nothing and watch small issue turn into World Wars where more American lives and treasure gets spent. We do nothing and ethnic cleansing turns into genocide causing the spread of immigration, refugees, disease, and poverty. We do something ad we are blamed for whatever imperfection occurs along the way and radicals turn into extremists. We support dictator and we are blamed for what their cultures do. We support the rebels and we are supporting coups and the result of success by those rebels who go on to slaughter their own in the absence of the former who slaughtered their own. We can't isolate because the world won't permit it. We can't scrape and save because the world's economies demand we spend and spend and spend. We can't "Buy America" because the globe's governments whine about our elitism.

    The world will do what it always does and blame America for every death a Muslim experiences at the hands of American supplied weapons in Syria. Despite Russia's support of the Syrian dictator only America will receive the sting of the Global degenerates. We may as well just support dictators and make it temporarily easier on us like we did during the Cold War.
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