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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Reading your link, I found this:




    While it has representatives from the various factions of the rebels, I do not have enough data to see how close it is with the Islamist elements.

    "The level of coordination between these armed groups and the SMC varies group-to-group."

    I'll need to read up some more before I can go on ChrisL.
    Here is a chart from my link. Hope you can see it okay. If not, it is available in the article. It pretty much breaks down all the different groups involved. That is why it's so dangerous for us to become involved in these altercations. We really don't know who the "good" guys are.

    Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tactic?-syriaopposition-jpg

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here is a chart from my link. Hope you can see it okay. If not, it is available in the article. It pretty much breaks down all the different groups involved. That is why it's so dangerous for us to become involved in these altercations. We really don't know who the "good" guys are.

    Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tactic?-syriaopposition-jpg
    ChrisL, upon reading your article you linked I must question the facts it contains.

    First off, it sates "The Syrian Opposition Coalition and SMC are designed to impose a top-down national strategy and governing structure for the political and military arms of the Syrian opposition,"

    This is misleading: the SMC is not a top-down organization, it is the opposite.

    "Its legitimacy is derived from the bottom-
    up, rather than top-down, and it has no institutional legitimacy apart from the legitimacy of the commanders associated with the council. Thus, the SMC is not structurally cohesive, and its ability to enforce command and control is dependent on the cooperation of each of its members. The incorporation of rebel networks has resulted in chains of command that are not uniform across the five fronts, with each sub-unit retaining their own unique authority structures. "

    Source: http://www.understandingwar.org/site...Army-24MAR.pdf

    I believe The Institute for the Study of War is correct on this, as the SMC is a coordination effort, not really a combined military chain of command.

    Secondly, I believe the map (Chart? Graph?) you showed oversimplifies the complex relations between the Supreme Joint Military Command and the various subgroups.

    Furthermore, also from the .pdf I linked, "The SMC has the potential to serve as a check on radicalization and help to assert a moderate authority in Syria. If the SMC can create enough incentives for moderation it will likely be able to marginalize the most radical elements within its structure. To this end, the SMC has recognized the importance of the inclusion of some of the more radical forces, while still drawing a red line at the inclusion of forces that seek the destruction of a Syrian state, such as jihadist groups like Jabhat nusra."

    Back to your image (picture?) it does make a point of showing the connection between the SMC and the subgroups. Take note how the Free Syrian Army (Leadership Incorporated, by the way) has a stronger bond than the Syrian Islamic Front. This is a good sign, because the FSA has reportedly had difficulties with the jihadists groups like these.

    Source: Inside Jabhat al Nusra - the most extreme wing of Syria's struggle - Telegraph

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    With wary eye, Syrian rebels welcome Islamists into their ranks | The Times of Israel

    Obviously, neither of us can be certain, seeing as the announcement for the arming of the SMC was very recent. Nevertheless, I feel those who make the claim "We are arming Islamists/Extremists" to be a bit far fetched.
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you believe that Obama's public support for the Syrian Rebels by arming them a diversionary foreign policy tactic?

    To get an idea watch this short video: Escobar: Obama starts Syria war to deviate from Snowden scandal - YouTube

    Do you think its a tactic or do you think its tactic used by the Obama admin?
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you believe that Obama's public support for the Syrian Rebels by arming them a diversionary foreign policy tactic?

    To get an idea watch this short video: Escobar: Obama starts Syria war to deviate from Snowden scandal - YouTube

    Do you think its a tactic or do you think its tactic used by the Obama admin?
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    The US is arming only the Supreme Military Council, a collection of rebel forces that excludes Islamist elements.

    So those who hate America have no way of acquiring arms sent to rebel forces?
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    When Assad is toppled, Syria will become an Islamic theocracy. Of that I am certain, although I'd love to be wrong. Once Assad is gone, the civil war will turn into a religious war between Sunni and Shiia. No matter which wins, it will be bad for Syria and bad for the world, and if the Shiia win... which it most likely will given the Shiia majority there, it will be worse, because they will have instant allies in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan, among others.

    This is just a gut feeling, because I do not have the educational depth about the region to give an informed and sourced opinion on the topic. I did, however, accurately predict the long-term outcome in both Afghanistan and Iraq ten years ago... so I kinda-sorta trust my gut on this stuff.

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    so those who hate america have no way of acquiring arms sent to rebel forces?
    idk.

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    When Assad is toppled, Syria will become an Islamic theocracy.
    Not necessarily. Most likely the FSA will fight the Jihadists.
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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Not necessarily. Most likely the FSA will fight the Jihadists.
    And they will lose.

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    Re: Is Obama's Public Support of the Syrian Rebels a Diversionary Foreign Policy Tact

    As mean as he is, Assad provides stability.

    Stability with Israel, Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon.

    Why would we want to lose that stability?

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