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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ahhh historical context or as we call it, the mouse in pocket rhetoric.

    I can see from your civilian only but very ahhh militant attitude all weapons are useful with the only goal winning the war, though there would be a huge difference between the firebombing of Dresden and widespread dropping of gas on the German civilians. I can see how to your untrained eye all weapons are horror weapons, but to me there is a huge difference between mustard gas and HE.

    and yeah it sure ain't easy being you.
    Frankly, I pretty much agree with Sawyer on this.

    War has been about wholesale killing, at greater and greater removes (the greatest being between the leaders and the front line) for a long time.

    Carpet bombs aren't THAT different from chem weapons at the end of the day. Everybody inside of the area of effect dies.

    And I understand that a fuel air bomb kills some by sucking the air out of their lungs, THEN they're vaporized.

    I still think its more about upstarts being able to kill scads of a much richer opponents troops for a fraction of what "legal" ordnance costs.
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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Seriously, you have to ask this on a public forum? You seriously don't understand that the indiscriminate killing of civilian populations is a war crime? Even LeMay recognized that what he did with the fire-bombing and use of the the nukes were war crimes, the only reason they were not prosecuted was due to their being the victor. Both German & Japanese military personnel were prosecuted for war crimes including the use of chemical weapons.

    It just baffles me that in this day and age you would have to ask a question like this. The poll results should tell you something.
    The point I am fruitlessly trying to make is if war has rules, war becomes to easy to implement. The MAD philosophy has prevented nuclear wars so what if chemical weapons were part of war? Would war be less likely? I honestly don't know but its a thought. If war became to horrible to contemplate due to lack of rules we may not have any more wars but then again I may be dreaming.

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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So much wrong information. Ever see Saving Private Ryan(Or The Longest Day? Or The Big Red One?)? They is a weapon against a bunker there called a Bagalore Torpedo. It uses(and is still in use) a shaped charge. Mortars as well now use shaped charges. Shaped charges are very effective against concrete structures.

    Do you find it embarrassing that a liberal knows more about the military than you?
    Just had to bring politics into this huh.

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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    They level the playing field between richer and poorer combatants.

    ****s up the game.
    I thought that too. Any 3rd world country can have nasty ass chemical weapons and that disrupts the balance of power we enjoy.

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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    All this talk about Obama's red line in Syria has me wondering just why we have outlawed the use of chemical weapons.
    Because they kill indiscriminately, cause unnecessary suffering and horrific trauma. A lot of them also destroy the environment, and remain chemically active for many years.
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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Frankly, I am never offended by a Brit calling us Yanks. I think it's kind of cute.
    Most of the time that term is used, especially on a political forum, it is not meant to be cute.

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    I call them Limey's.
    Most British folk take considerable offense at the term, unless it's a joking tease by a good friend.

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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Most of the time that term is used, especially on a political forum, it is not meant to be cute.



    Most British folk take considerable offense at the term, unless it's a joking tease by a good friend.
    Well they should get over it. I am tired of everyone walking around with a stick up their ass just looking for some reason to be offended.

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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Most of the time that term is used, especially on a political forum, it is not meant to be cute.
    They may not mean it to be cute, but the only way I can be offended, is if I take offense. If I don't take offense, and don't concern myself with what they may call me, as an American, then they haven't accomplished anything whatsoever.
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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    None of which changes the fact that flame throwers where obsoleted due to improved technology.
    This is just one persons opinion.

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    >"Napalm, delivered by bombs or flamethrowers, kills on one hand, protects lives on another, depending on where one stands. Beyond that, burning gas has a powerful psychological effect, topping my list of weapons used to intimidate and deter.

    What motivates me to think about this is a message I received from a friend operating in Afghanistan. He asks, where were flame weapons when really needed to clear caves and attack terrorists during Operation Anaconda. A major objective was to kill bin Laden. The answer, we got rid of flamethrowers years ago. And napalm bombs went by the wayside too.

    Our failure to field weapons equal to the task, especially napalm configured in flamethrowers, is disconcerting testimony to our determination to win in the field and protect those carrying the fight abroad.

    Conventional wisdom says we should never even consider the use of napalm, because it is so indiscriminate. Anyone within the target area is likely to be killed or maimed, whether a legitimate combatant or innocent civilian.

    That is absolutely true, as far as it goes. But what if its use were restricted to remote areas, where there is no civilian population? Enemy targets cannot be avoided, whether in caves or in the open. Ignoring the threat defeats the mission and prolongs the conflict. Otherwise, the only way to clear a cave without entering is to toss in a few hand grenades, conventional or thermobaric, hoping they are effective. But caves are not necessarily shallow boxes where grenades work well..."<

    >"Flamethrowers have another advantage: they are very effective if oneís position is about to be overrun. They are instantly available before defensive fires from mortars, artillery or air arrive. I canít imagine any soldier in extremis threatened by an enemy through the wire would have second thoughts.'<

    Thinking the Unthinkable about Napalm and Flamethrowers | Small Wars Journal

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    Re: Should chemicle weapons be illeagal

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Just had to bring politics into this huh.
    You should read the thread before saying stupid **** like that. Guess who brought politics into the thread. Hint: it wasn't me, but it was the one I was replying to.
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