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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Is the U.S. foreign policy wrong ? Looking at the Middle East and how it has become a complete basket case since Obama became POTUS, it's a dead giveaway that Obama's foreign policies have been a complete failure and are wrong.
    Its not just him. Bush did exactly the same thing. Bush entered the middle east (both of them!) and has left it as a America hating breeding ground for dissent, both Bush and Obama have stayed in the middle east. You cannot blame just Obama for the disastrous foreign policies look back and concede that Bush did the same. Difference is Obama has a Nobel peace prize which is quite ironic.
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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    Its not just him. Bush did exactly the same thing. Bush entered the middle east (both of them!) and has left it as a America hating breeding ground for dissent, both Bush and Obama have stayed in the middle east. You cannot blame just Obama for the disastrous foreign policies look back and concede that Bush did the same. Difference is Obama has a Nobel peace prize which is quite ironic.
    I disagree.

    G.W. Bush approach was "an enemy is an enemy, kill them before the kill you". Bush also realized after 9/11 that for decades, it's been the exact same people continuously supporting and backing terrorist, so started a fight to remove any regime that supported terrorism.

    Obama's approach is "kiss your enemies ass as much as possible and maybe they won't go ahead and kill you." Obama did back rebels in Lybia, but they don't like us much more than Kadafi did and now he wants to support rebels against Assad, even though most of those rebels are just as anti-American as Assad is.

    Also, we were in the middle east long before most people had heard of either Bush. We supported the Shaw in Iran before Ayatollah Khomeini ousted him. And the greatest sin of America, from the Muslim point of view, is that we are friends with Israel. Something that goes way back. As long as we are friends with Israel, we will never have peace from the middle east and there will always be terrorist attacking us. Unless of course we take them out before they attack us.
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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    Our foreign policy is destructive.

    We have spread ourselves around the world. What happens when an empire attempts to control the world? It collapses under its own immense weight due to economic issues (usually).

    We cannot and should not be saviors of the world. We have so many issues to deal with here from immigration to infrastructure to major economic woes. Do they care? No...we always have to have an enemy. There always has to be a threat.

    People who buy into that nonsense are very foolish.
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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Obama's approach is "kiss your enemies ass as much as possible and maybe they won't go ahead and kill you." Obama did back rebels in Lybia, but they don't like us much more than Kadafi did and now he wants to support rebels against Assad, even though most of those rebels are just as anti-American as Assad is.
    Yeah - that's why there's such a big stink about all the drone strikes because Obama is really kissing their ass instead of having them killed?

    The difference is, Pakistan's isn't at war with us even though we're clearly carrying out military missions inside their territory. In fact, last I looked, they're still letting us maintain a supply line through their country regardless of the drone and special forces strikes.


    Bush was an arrogant ass that threw our weight around and pissed a lot of people off for no reason other than ego.
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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I disagree.

    G.W. Bush approach was "an enemy is an enemy, kill them before the kill you". Bush also realized after 9/11 that for decades, it's been the exact same people continuously supporting and backing terrorist, so started a fight to remove any regime that supported terrorism.

    Obama's approach is "kiss your enemies ass as much as possible and maybe they won't go ahead and kill you." Obama did back rebels in Lybia, but they don't like us much more than Kadafi did and now he wants to support rebels against Assad, even though most of those rebels are just as anti-American as Assad is.

    Also, we were in the middle east long before most people had heard of either Bush. We supported the Shaw in Iran before Ayatollah Khomeini ousted him. And the greatest sin of America, from the Muslim point of view, is that we are friends with Israel. Something that goes way back. As long as we are friends with Israel, we will never have peace from the middle east and there will always be terrorist attacking us. Unless of course we take them out before they attack us.
    To me they have the same foreign policies on Afghanistan however Obama simply doesn't want to intervene in Syria and we only backed the Libyan Rebels as Libya has large oil reserves. Bush would have been a catastrophe for Libya and Syria from an international relations standpoint between America and the middle east and Muslim communities there.
    Also if those regimes were supporting terrorism against America what was the motive? Why did/do they dislike America? Yes being friends with Israel is a factor in this however it is not the only factor and it is one of the biggest but not the greatest "sin" of America. Bush's Approach was to "win the hearts and minds" through kidnapping, torture and maltreatment of prisoners. Obama's approach was to drone strike and pretend to close Gitmo. Both are flawed.

    Also check up on spelling
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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yeah - that's why there's such a big stink about all the drone strikes because Obama is really kissing their ass instead of having them killed?

    The difference is, Pakistan's isn't at war with us even though we're clearly carrying out military missions inside their territory. In fact, last I looked, they're still letting us maintain a supply line through their country regardless of the drone and special forces strikes.


    Bush was an arrogant ass that threw our weight around and pissed a lot of people off for no reason other than ego.
    Bush's arrogance is a matter of opinion, I don't see it, but hey, you perceive it your way.

    What affect are the drone strikes actually having on Terrorism? Do they deter it in any way? Is the loss of a few leaders actually hurting any of the organizations? Has there been any decrease in terrorism world wide as a result of these drone strikes? Or are they a non-effective way for Obama to say "look, I'm doing something"?
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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    To me they have the same foreign policies on Afghanistan however Obama simply doesn't want to intervene in Syria and we only backed the Libyan Rebels as Libya has large oil reserves. Bush would have been a catastrophe for Libya and Syria from an international relations standpoint between America and the middle east and Muslim communities there.
    Also if those regimes were supporting terrorism against America what was the motive? Why did/do they dislike America? Yes being friends with Israel is a factor in this however it is not the only factor and it is one of the biggest but not the greatest "sin" of America. Bush's Approach was to "win the hearts and minds" through kidnapping, torture and maltreatment of prisoners. Obama's approach was to drone strike and pretend to close Gitmo. Both are flawed.

    Also check up on spelling
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    Shah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Bush would never of had to deal with Libya during the rebellion. He was out of office. Perhaps if you have any insight into how McCain would of handled it, that would be a legitimate comparison. Bush planed to take out both Syria and Libya on list of terror sponsors, so his approach was not in anyway formulated upon a rebellion happening in either place. Unfortunately, while I believe Bush had the right idea and right attitude towards terrorism, I cannot say he had a good plan. In fact, I would say how he carried it out pretty much sucked ass.

    While I am critical of Obama's handling of the situation, I am not in anyway comparing it to Bush. Bush had served two terms and was gone, period. He wasn't even an option for that time period.
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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    i think that we should go back to being a country. if the world wants an army, it should form and fund one. a better solution at this point would be regional policing. for example, if Mexico were to become like NK, then it becomes our problem. we simply cannot police every region, nor should we.

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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Bush's arrogance is a matter of opinion, I don't see it, but hey, you perceive it your way.

    What affect are the drone strikes actually having on Terrorism? Do they deter it in any way? Is the loss of a few leaders actually hurting any of the organizations? Has there been any decrease in terrorism world wide as a result of these drone strikes? Or are they a non-effective way for Obama to say "look, I'm doing something"?
    Yeah - a matter of world opinion and the world decided he was an arrogant ass, too.


    One could ask the same questions about the Iraqi, which was - supposedly - not even connected to terrorism.

    The war in Afghanistan was a direct result of 9/11 and has moved to northern Pakistan. So, yes, any involvement there is just as justified and just as effective as being in Afghanistan. Bush himself proclaimed Osama Bin Laden to be Public Enemy #1 - and failed to either find him or kill him. Is he still alive? Nope. Where was he found and killed? Northern Pakistan.
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    Re: U.S. Foreign Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yeah - a matter of world opinion and the world decided he was an arrogant ass, too.


    One could ask the same questions about the Iraqi, which was - supposedly - not even connected to terrorism.

    The war in Afghanistan was a direct result of 9/11 and has moved to northern Pakistan. So, yes, any involvement there is just as justified and just as effective as being in Afghanistan. Bush himself proclaimed Osama Bin Laden to be Public Enemy #1 - and failed to either find him or kill him. Is he still alive? Nope. Where was he found and killed? Northern Pakistan.
    Actually, Iraq had very strong ties to terrorism prior to Desert Storm. After, not so much since the UN was sitting on them. As I pointed out elsewhere, we also could not move forces away from Iraq without that situation being settled.

    Following the 9/11 attacks, Bush announced that we would be taking out all terrorist and sponsors of terrorism, including taking down governments that sponsored it or harbored terrorists. It's not hard to look back and see that the same places and faces kept showing up time and time again. If we wanted no future attacks, then take out all the players, not just the one. The War on Terror was never just about Osama Bin Laden.

    If your friends trust you and your enemies fear you, then that is good. Bush put us on that track, or at least tried to. His idea was good, his ability to carry it out, not so good.
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