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Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

Would you openly say you are proud to be American/nationality of your country?


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Proud of my country? Yes

Proud of my government? No

That wasn't the question, and you didn't answer it. See people changing the question; well obviously you're ashamed and feel the need to weasel word your answer. Question wasn't about your country or its government, it was YOU.
 
No, I'm proud of the things I've actually done and accomplished.
 
I think most of us have been programmed to be loyal to our tribe. "I pledge allegiance to the flag..." How silly is that? If you're proud to be an American, does that mean that being an American is better than being an Australian or a Japanese or a Fijian?

1. Yes. To be an American is not about your nationality, your ethnic background, the slant of your eyebrows, or how long your family has been around. America, uniquely, wasn't founded on a common tribe or ethnic heritage, but on a set of idea(l)s. Loyalty to "being American" is about loyalty to those idea(l)s of self-government, popular sovereignty, individual dignity and liberty, the notion that all men are on a deep level equal. That is a higher thing to be proud of than being proud of the fact that your deep-past ancestors left Africa at a certain time, and traveled in a certain direction.


2. Or, if you like, Americans can take exceptional pride in their individual origins. You see, whereas other little babies are delivered by storks to their momma and daddy Italians, or momma and daddy Koreans, American babies are descended from the goddess of Freedom and god of Guns, and are delivered by screaming Bald Eagles at 70mph while "Born in the USA" blares in the background.

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Or, if you like, Americans can take exceptional pride in their individual origins. You see, whereas other little babies are delivered by storks to their momma and daddy Italians, or momma and daddy Koreans, American babies are descended from the goddess of Freedom and god of Guns, and are delivered by screaming Bald Eagles at 70mph while "Born in the USA" blares in the background.
Yes, that was always my impression. God Bless You All!
 
1. Yes. To be an American is not about your nationality, your ethnic background, the slant of your eyebrows, or how long your family has been around. America, uniquely, wasn't founded on a common tribe or ethnic heritage, but on a set of idea(l)s. Loyalty to "being American" is about loyalty to those idea(l)s of self-government, popular sovereignty, individual dignity and liberty, the notion that all men are on a deep level equal. That is a higher thing to be proud of than being proud of the fact that your deep-past ancestors left Africa at a certain time, and traveled in a certain direction.


2. Or, if you like, Americans can take exceptional pride in their individual origins. You see, whereas other little babies are delivered by storks to their momma and daddy Italians, or momma and daddy Koreans, American babies are descended from the goddess of Freedom and god of Guns, and are delivered by screaming Bald Eagles at 70mph while "Born in the USA" blares in the background.

:mrgreen:

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This is what everyone has been missing. This is what makes me proud to be American.
 
What about the 15 and 16 year old American citizens who are told to recite the Mexican pledge of allegiance in an American class room ? Then they are required after taking the allegiance to Mexico, they have to sing the Mexican National Anthem. And lets not forget all of those Mexican flags that are displayed in American schools across the American Southwest and especially in California.
This a high school in Texas. And in the city of Montebello, California when Latino anchor babies students demanded that their illegal alien parents be awarded amnesty and citizenship for breaking America's laws how did they send their message ?

Ahhh taking umbrage where one can even, even if it has to be waaaay overhyped. :doh

ISOLATED incidents, some as a counter to 'real' American antagonism are not proof of anything but it does on occasion happen.

The young lady in the you tube link, she also refused to stand to at least show respect during the Mexican Pledge for her mother's homeland. She also refused to participate in the 9-11 ceremony. Sounds more like Daddy's little conspiracy girl than a reasonable young lady. FYI the teacher and principal may have stepped over the line but the School district doesn't require participation.

Before I enlisted, my school's french class would sing the French national anthem many, many times. I can't carry a tune even if it had handles but i stood and hummed along, to this day I hum parts of it as I work. So it doesn't subvert one's love or sense of duty to country to participate in other nation's songs or pledges.

The flag incidents, why don't you post the date/time group for the pictures you posted? Did they happen last week? Last month? Perhaps you googled to find a few scattered over the YEARS?! I wonder if Ireland's flag is displayed during St. Paddy's day? :confused:

No Sir, you are making a mountain out of a few WIDELY scattered molehills, some of those hills are done with other nations as the focus, like french class and St. Paddy's Day. Some as as 'lawbreaking' as the Civil Rights marches in Alabama or Mississippi back in the day.

But ALL will draw the ire of certain 'nativists'... :roll:
 
No weird theories, just want to know how long the Republicans controlled Congress and the Presidency during Hitler's reign, then we'll take the next step.

First your claim was we chose to overthrow Hitler when in fact Hitler declared war on us so I guess how the Republicans blocked/fought damn near every attempt lean help toward England- read up on the isolationists in the US Senate of that time period.

In case you really don't know how the Senate works, a small but rebellious minority can block any vote through a series maneuvers like filibuster, and 2/3rds vote. Please educate yourself on that period before further comments.

Hitler declared war on us

The America first Committee

Senators like La Foyette, Nye, Vandenburg, Borah, Johnson, Holt sr, and Bilbo. leader of the House Republicans Joe Martin jr, member Janet Rankin(only no vote to enter WWII with Japan). Industrialists like Ford and Wood. Lindbergh, William Randolph Hearst, Col. McCormick and Father Couglin. Former President Herbert Hoover, and senator Taft who ran for President in 1940. Joe Kennedy, Gen Wood.

A wide bunch who were against intervention for a wide variety of reasons from hatred of the English through hatred of Jews to hatred of FDR. Love of Germany and the German philosophy of superiority. Sparta on the Danube.

The republicans were stone faced Isolationists and fought very hard to block war preparations prior to Dec 7th.

The Senate isn't like the House where majority rules most of the time and the minority party can be a very effective road block to legislation.
 
The difference between Hitler and Arbenz is that Arbenz was pre-emptive. You could be saying the same thing about Hitler if we took him out in 1934. We have a right to protect our hemisphere. But hey, if we don't, who do you want to give that responsibilty to?

Also, Hitler wasn't doing all of those things yet in 1934.

you're kidding right? Was Arbenz invading the rest of Latin America and putting people in concentration camps and gassing them? If anything, we were the ones invading other countries in this hemisphere and arming death squads and dictators' armies to murder people.

As far as the second part of your posts go, why don't we become the de facto rulers of the world, simply deciding who governs where? JC, I used to enjoy my conversations with you, despite our ideological differences, but this is a bit too much ...
 
The difference between Hitler and Arbenz is that Arbenz was pre-emptive. You could be saying the same thing about Hitler if we took him out in 1934. We have a right to protect our hemisphere. But hey, if we don't, who do you want to give that responsibilty to?



not much point to keeping this conversation going with you ... you think the U.S. has the right to play God, I don't ...
 
1. Yes. To be an American is not about your nationality, your ethnic background, the slant of your eyebrows, or how long your family has been around. America, uniquely, wasn't founded on a common tribe or ethnic heritage, but on a set of idea(l)s. Loyalty to "being American" is about loyalty to those idea(l)s of self-government, popular sovereignty, individual dignity and liberty, the notion that all men are on a deep level equal. That is a higher thing to be proud of than being proud of the fact that your deep-past ancestors left Africa at a certain time, and traveled in a certain direction.

There's probably not much room for discussion of this topic. None of us decides how we feel and that's what this is all about.
For example- I, like I think most Canadians, am a little embarrassed by displays of patriotism. We consider it boastful and in bad taste.


2. Or, if you like, Americans can take exceptional pride in their individual origins. You see, whereas other little babies are delivered by storks to their momma and daddy Italians, or momma and daddy Koreans, American babies are descended from the goddess of Freedom and god of Guns, and are delivered by screaming Bald Eagles at 70mph while "Born in the USA" blares in the background.

(grin!) To my ears, you just repeated yourself!
 
almost every other place we intervened we did more damage than good.

Can you give an example?

Iran, Iraq, El Salvador, Haiti, Guatamala, Argentina, Columbia, Nicaragua, Viet Nam, Cuba........
 
We chose to overthrow Hitler, didn't we? Let's say we decided to take Hitler out in 1934, would that have been unjustified as well?

In my view we should only get involved in foreign wars to prevent current or imminent genocidal situations. When the Germans started imprisoning and killing large numbers of Jews, Roma and others we had legitimate justification for intervention.
 
I wouldn't say proud. I like being American. I like being a New Yorker. Even when I didn't live in New York. But I don't see how one can be proud to be something that you don't create for yourself. I am sometimes proud of my country, and sometimes disappointed. But how is that different from any other relationship?
 
I'm a nationalist, so yes.
 
How do you know how things would've turned out if we didn't intervene?

almost every other place we intervened we did more damage than good.



Iran, Iraq, El Salvador, Haiti, Guatamala, Argentina, Columbia, Nicaragua, Viet Nam, Cuba........
 
How do you know how things would've turned out if we didn't intervene?

However it may have turned out if we didn't intervene, it would have been the reponsibility of the people of Iran, Iraq, El Salvador, Haiti, Guatamala, Argentina, Columbia, Nicaragua, Viet Nam, Cuba........

History shows that the policy of "engage and influence" usually works better than the policy of "confront and bomb."
 
Yeah, no one tried to talk to Hilter, that was the problem.

However it may have turned out if we didn't intervene, it would have been the reponsibility of the people of Iran, Iraq, El Salvador, Haiti, Guatamala, Argentina, Columbia, Nicaragua, Viet Nam, Cuba........

History shows that the policy of "engage and influence" usually works better than the policy of "confront and bomb."
 
Yeah, no one tried to talk to Hilter, that was the problem.

1. Notice the inclusion of the word "usually."

2. WWII was one situation. There have been many others that were different. We need to stop applying our WWII experiences to every international conflict.

3. In my view we should only get involved in foreign wars to prevent current or imminent genocidal situations. When the Germans started imprisoning and killing large numbers of Jews, Roma and others we had legitimate justification for intervention. If it was up to me we probably would have gotten involved sooner than we actually did.
 
Options 1 and 3. I'm proud to be an American. I'll gladly say it, but I also acknowledge there's room for improvement.
 
Options 1 and 3. I'm proud to be an American. I'll gladly say it, but I also acknowledge there's room for improvement.

So Gina believes there's "room for improvement" and is going to move politically to the right. Outstanding !
 
So Gina believes there's "room for improvement" and is going to move politically to the right. Outstanding !

Hmmmm...possibly you are making assumptions? ;)
 
Yeah, no one tried to talk to Hilter, that was the problem.

You sure you're not giving Noriega and Ortega and Castro et.al. too much credit? Hell, if you want it all to be big-league, you shoulda taken Stalin on.
 
I chose the second one, especially if I'm overseas.
 
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