View Poll Results: Would you openly say you are proud to be American/nationality of your country?

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  • Yes, I am American and very proud to be American, and I will gladly tell that everybody.

    26 24.53%
  • Yes, I am American and feel proud to be American, but I wouldn't boast with it..

    7 6.60%
  • Yes, I'm American and proud, but I also think many things could be improved about my country.

    31 29.25%
  • No. I'm American, but living here was not my achievement. So why should I be proud?

    16 15.09%
  • No, I'm American and way too many things are going wrong here.

    6 5.66%
  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud to be citizen of my country.

    4 3.77%
  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud, although I see room for improvement..

    4 3.77%
  • No. I'm NOT American, and being born here was not due to my efforts. Why being proud?

    4 3.77%
  • No. I'm NOT American, and my country sucks. No way to be proud.

    1 0.94%
  • other (please explain)

    7 6.60%
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    In Germany, for understandable reasons, many people are reluctant to say they're "proud to be German".

    How about you? Are you proud to be American/British/[insert nationality here]? Or rather, would you openly word it this way?
    I love America, it's the best. I'm not a fan of the government and the path it has taken. But the Republic itself is a fantastic ideal to uphold and preserve.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    In Germany, for understandable reasons, many people are reluctant to say they're "proud to be German".

    How about you? Are you proud to be American/British/[insert nationality here]? Or rather, would you openly word it this way?
    No I wouldn't. I'm happy to be an American. It's a pretty good deal all around (though certainly not perfect). However, I had nothing to do with being born an American, so being proud of that fact seems faintly ridiculous.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    In Germany, for understandable reasons, many people are reluctant to say they're "proud to be German".

    How about you? Are you proud to be American/British/[insert nationality here]? Or rather, would you openly word it this way?
    Yeesh. "For understandable reasons..."?
    Tribalism is one of two or three hurdles we need to overcome before another evolutionary step can be taken. Anyone who's proud of the accident of their birth should try to have an accomplishment.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Yes, I am American and very proud to be American, and I will gladly tell that to everybody, but I will also point out the glaring flaws that are causing our magnificent country to stall in the water too.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Yes, I am American and very proud to be American, and I will gladly tell that to everybody, but I will also point out the glaring flaws that are causing our magnificent country to stall in the water too.
    An average American 16-year-old, just for arguments sake, how many times has he recited the Pledge of Allegiance? How about an 8-year-old? Does an 8 year old even know what allegiance is when he/she pledges it?
    I think most of us have been programmed to be loyal to our tribe. "I pledge allegiance to the flag..." How silly is that? If you're proud to be an American, does that mean that being an American is better than being an Australian or a Japanese or a Fijian?
    This crap, this tribalism, far from being something to be proud of is something we need to leave behind.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    We chose to overthrow Hitler, didn't we? Let's say we decided to take Hitler out in 1934, would that have been unjustified as well?
    you're kidding right? Was Arbenz invading the rest of Latin America and putting people in concentration camps and gassing them? If anything, we were the ones invading other countries in this hemisphere and arming death squads and dictators' armies to murder people.

    As far as the second part of your posts go, why don't we become the de facto rulers of the world, simply deciding who governs where? JC, I used to enjoy my conversations with you, despite our ideological differences, but this is a bit too much ...

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    The Enabling Act and the Reichstag Fire Decree. These along with Mein Kampf and all of Hitler's other threats would justify removal.
    then you better get started taking out governments left and right JC ... good luck ... I just hope you're pulling our leg ...

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    An average American 16-year-old, just for arguments sake, how many times has he recited the Pledge of Allegiance? How about an 8-year-old? Does an 8 year old even know what allegiance is when he/she pledges it?
    I think most of us have been programmed to be loyal to our tribe. "I pledge allegiance to the flag..." How silly is that? If you're proud to be an American, does that mean that being an American is better than being an Australian or a Japanese or a Fijian?
    This crap, this tribalism, far from being something to be proud of is something we need to leave behind.
    I would come to the aid of my country if she needed it, or, for that matter, my compatriots. While I relatively do not have the wool over my eyes anymore, I still would die, suffer great lengths and face an enemy in greater number than I to protect my beloved homeland. It matters not if people perceive this to be a weakness in me. It matters not if my politicians betray the Constitution of the United States and us as a result, my loyalty, respect and undying love to my country will remain. For you see, politicians can be replaced, easily so, but our country is here to stay and it is the only thing we have going, and it is the best show on this planet bar none.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I would come to the aid of my country if she needed it, or, for that matter, my compatriots. While I relatively do not have the wool over my eyes anymore, I still would die, suffer great lengths and face an enemy in greater number than I to protect my beloved homeland. It matters not if people perceive this to be a weakness in me. It matters not if my politicians betray the Constitution of the United States and us as a result, my loyalty, respect and undying love to my country will remain. For you see, politicians can be replaced, easily so, but our country is here to stay and it is the only thing we have going, and it is the best show on this planet bar none.
    Well, then, God bless you, Jango. May you live long and may your attitude die when you do.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Well, then, God bless you, Jango. May you live long and may your attitude die when you do.
    So tell me then, what are your views?

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