View Poll Results: Would you openly say you are proud to be American/nationality of your country?

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  • Yes, I am American and very proud to be American, and I will gladly tell that everybody.

    26 24.53%
  • Yes, I am American and feel proud to be American, but I wouldn't boast with it..

    7 6.60%
  • Yes, I'm American and proud, but I also think many things could be improved about my country.

    31 29.25%
  • No. I'm American, but living here was not my achievement. So why should I be proud?

    16 15.09%
  • No, I'm American and way too many things are going wrong here.

    6 5.66%
  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud to be citizen of my country.

    4 3.77%
  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud, although I see room for improvement..

    4 3.77%
  • No. I'm NOT American, and being born here was not due to my efforts. Why being proud?

    4 3.77%
  • No. I'm NOT American, and my country sucks. No way to be proud.

    1 0.94%
  • other (please explain)

    7 6.60%
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm an American, and I'm proud to be an American.
    Why? I'm British, but as many perspicacious people have pointed out in this thread, where one is born cannot be anything more significant than a happenstance. Now I could claim a pride in the citizenship of a nation which has influenced the modern world to a greater extent than even Rome, a nation which has given the world its lingua fanca, and much of the world its language and culture, began the industrial revolution, created much philosophy and literature, and a nation which is the mother to some of the greatest modern societies, including the USA. But what has any of that to do with me? I am a 19 year old who has done nothing of any note, and who has contributed nothing to the achievements of my nation. How can I express pride therein with any degree of honesty or realism?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What would the world be like today if America had never existed?

    Think about it.
    Well, I have, and I expect it would be much the same but with different national actors, and the same could be said of any developed European country - Germany and Great Britain, in particular. European colonisation of the Americas, and the antipodes, would have happened, of course, but places like the USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand would not have developed without Britain. To get an idea what those places might have been like, take a look at the colonies developed by the French, Dutch, and Spanish. The USA has indeed been a most successful military/industrial complex, but it has not been the blueprint for western civilisation. It, like Canada and Australia, is too young for that.
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Proud of my country? Yes

    Proud of my government? No
    'Good afternoon, Occam's Razor.

    : When we hear that foreigners hate America, I don't believe that they mean the people. It's our government and its policies they don't like. Most of us wouldn't like it if someone were bombing us and killing our children, either!

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    I can't take credit for having been born here.

    Many of our government's policies, especially much of our foriegn policy, past and present, make me ashamed of being from the USA. I also think there are many good aspects to our country, even some of the people are OK.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    'Good afternoon, Occam's Razor.

    : When we hear that foreigners hate America, I don't believe that they mean the people. It's our government and its policies they don't like. Most of us wouldn't like it if someone were bombing us and killing our children, either!
    Yes... well, thank you for that, and good afternoon.

    I've traveled abroad and can confirm you belief.

    To say you're preaching to the choir would be a massive understatement.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Overall, yes I am. If I wasn't happy/proud to be an American or if it changes, I'll find a new country to make my home that comes closer to representing my goals, ideals, beliefs, and systems.

    Frankly, I think that most people who hate the USA should get the hell out.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : When we hear that foreigners hate America, I don't believe that they mean the people. It's our government and its policies they don't like. Most of us wouldn't like it if someone were bombing us and killing our children, either!
    There are some who equate the people and the government, but for the most part I believe you are correct.
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Although we've had our mistakes, overall I am proud of America.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    I am ashamed of our National policies, but in my youth I was a "blind patriot," and thought the USA was the savior of the world. Vietnam woke me up. We are not the good guys that the people think we are. We are Imperialists and resource thieves and have historically thrived on war. That is why we have a $700 billion Military Offense budget. I like living here except for the frustration of not being able to change the country's direction. I have accepted that the vast majority of the citizens have no clue what is going on. That's the beauty of the Forums because it is an opportunity to inform.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There are some who equate the people and the government, but for the most part I believe you are correct.
    Good evening, radcen.

    I believe that most people on this planet want what we do...the ability to raise their children in peace; access to clean water and sufficient food to survive; a government that is responsive to their needs; and the freedom to better themselves. It seems that the first thing people do when they are "liberated," is to have the right to vote. Since some countries have never known the concept of democracy, but only chaos or a dictatorship, they surprise us by voting for more of what they originally rebelled against, if we can believe what is reported! Go figure! Maybe time is the only answer......

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    Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I am ashamed of our National policies, but in my youth I was a "blind patriot," and thought the USA was the savior of the world. Vietnam woke me up. We are not the good guys that the people think we are. We are Imperialists and resource thieves and have historically thrived on war. That is why we have a $700 billion Military Offense budget. I like living here except for the frustration of not being able to change the country's direction. I have accepted that the vast majority of the citizens have no clue what is going on. That's the beauty of the Forums because it is an opportunity to inform.
    You sound like an arrogant American. Was that intentional?
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