View Poll Results: Would you openly say you are proud to be American/nationality of your country?

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  • Yes, I am American and very proud to be American, and I will gladly tell that everybody.

    26 24.53%
  • Yes, I am American and feel proud to be American, but I wouldn't boast with it..

    7 6.60%
  • Yes, I'm American and proud, but I also think many things could be improved about my country.

    31 29.25%
  • No. I'm American, but living here was not my achievement. So why should I be proud?

    16 15.09%
  • No, I'm American and way too many things are going wrong here.

    6 5.66%
  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud to be citizen of my country.

    4 3.77%
  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud, although I see room for improvement..

    4 3.77%
  • No. I'm NOT American, and being born here was not due to my efforts. Why being proud?

    4 3.77%
  • No. I'm NOT American, and my country sucks. No way to be proud.

    1 0.94%
  • other (please explain)

    7 6.60%
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Proud of my country? Yes

    Proud of my government? No
    That wasn't the question, and you didn't answer it. See people changing the question; well obviously you're ashamed and feel the need to weasel word your answer. Question wasn't about your country or its government, it was YOU.
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Only if you give me an ayran from your avatar first!

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    haha they are rakı

    CHEERS!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    No, I'm proud of the things I've actually done and accomplished.
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I think most of us have been programmed to be loyal to our tribe. "I pledge allegiance to the flag..." How silly is that? If you're proud to be an American, does that mean that being an American is better than being an Australian or a Japanese or a Fijian?
    1. Yes. To be an American is not about your nationality, your ethnic background, the slant of your eyebrows, or how long your family has been around. America, uniquely, wasn't founded on a common tribe or ethnic heritage, but on a set of idea(l)s. Loyalty to "being American" is about loyalty to those idea(l)s of self-government, popular sovereignty, individual dignity and liberty, the notion that all men are on a deep level equal. That is a higher thing to be proud of than being proud of the fact that your deep-past ancestors left Africa at a certain time, and traveled in a certain direction.


    2. Or, if you like, Americans can take exceptional pride in their individual origins. You see, whereas other little babies are delivered by storks to their momma and daddy Italians, or momma and daddy Koreans, American babies are descended from the goddess of Freedom and god of Guns, and are delivered by screaming Bald Eagles at 70mph while "Born in the USA" blares in the background.




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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Or, if you like, Americans can take exceptional pride in their individual origins. You see, whereas other little babies are delivered by storks to their momma and daddy Italians, or momma and daddy Koreans, American babies are descended from the goddess of Freedom and god of Guns, and are delivered by screaming Bald Eagles at 70mph while "Born in the USA" blares in the background.
    Yes, that was always my impression. God Bless You All!
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. Yes. To be an American is not about your nationality, your ethnic background, the slant of your eyebrows, or how long your family has been around. America, uniquely, wasn't founded on a common tribe or ethnic heritage, but on a set of idea(l)s. Loyalty to "being American" is about loyalty to those idea(l)s of self-government, popular sovereignty, individual dignity and liberty, the notion that all men are on a deep level equal. That is a higher thing to be proud of than being proud of the fact that your deep-past ancestors left Africa at a certain time, and traveled in a certain direction.


    2. Or, if you like, Americans can take exceptional pride in their individual origins. You see, whereas other little babies are delivered by storks to their momma and daddy Italians, or momma and daddy Koreans, American babies are descended from the goddess of Freedom and god of Guns, and are delivered by screaming Bald Eagles at 70mph while "Born in the USA" blares in the background.



    This is what everyone has been missing. This is what makes me proud to be American.
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    [QUOTE=APACHERAT;1061933005]What about the 15 and 16 year old American citizens who are told to recite the Mexican pledge of allegiance in an American class room ? Then they are required after taking the allegiance to Mexico, they have to sing the Mexican National Anthem. And lets not forget all of those Mexican flags that are displayed in American schools across the American Southwest and especially in California.
    This a high school in Texas. And in the city of Montebello, California when Latino anchor babies students demanded that their illegal alien parents be awarded amnesty and citizenship for breaking America's laws how did they send their message ?

    Ahhh taking umbrage where one can even, even if it has to be waaaay overhyped.

    ISOLATED incidents, some as a counter to 'real' American antagonism are not proof of anything but it does on occasion happen.

    The young lady in the you tube link, she also refused to stand to at least show respect during the Mexican Pledge for her mother's homeland. She also refused to participate in the 9-11 ceremony. Sounds more like Daddy's little conspiracy girl than a reasonable young lady. FYI the teacher and principal may have stepped over the line but the School district doesn't require participation.

    Before I enlisted, my school's french class would sing the French national anthem many, many times. I can't carry a tune even if it had handles but i stood and hummed along, to this day I hum parts of it as I work. So it doesn't subvert one's love or sense of duty to country to participate in other nation's songs or pledges.

    The flag incidents, why don't you post the date/time group for the pictures you posted? Did they happen last week? Last month? Perhaps you googled to find a few scattered over the YEARS?! I wonder if Ireland's flag is displayed during St. Paddy's day?

    No Sir, you are making a mountain out of a few WIDELY scattered molehills, some of those hills are done with other nations as the focus, like french class and St. Paddy's Day. Some as as 'lawbreaking' as the Civil Rights marches in Alabama or Mississippi back in the day.

    But ALL will draw the ire of certain 'nativists'...

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    No weird theories, just want to know how long the Republicans controlled Congress and the Presidency during Hitler's reign, then we'll take the next step.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    First your claim was we chose to overthrow Hitler when in fact Hitler declared war on us so I guess how the Republicans blocked/fought damn near every attempt lean help toward England- read up on the isolationists in the US Senate of that time period.

    In case you really don't know how the Senate works, a small but rebellious minority can block any vote through a series maneuvers like filibuster, and 2/3rds vote. Please educate yourself on that period before further comments.

    Hitler declared war on us

    The America first Committee

    Senators like La Foyette, Nye, Vandenburg, Borah, Johnson, Holt sr, and Bilbo. leader of the House Republicans Joe Martin jr, member Janet Rankin(only no vote to enter WWII with Japan). Industrialists like Ford and Wood. Lindbergh, William Randolph Hearst, Col. McCormick and Father Couglin. Former President Herbert Hoover, and senator Taft who ran for President in 1940. Joe Kennedy, Gen Wood.

    A wide bunch who were against intervention for a wide variety of reasons from hatred of the English through hatred of Jews to hatred of FDR. Love of Germany and the German philosophy of superiority. Sparta on the Danube.

    The republicans were stone faced Isolationists and fought very hard to block war preparations prior to Dec 7th.

    The Senate isn't like the House where majority rules most of the time and the minority party can be a very effective road block to legislation.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    The difference between Hitler and Arbenz is that Arbenz was pre-emptive. You could be saying the same thing about Hitler if we took him out in 1934. We have a right to protect our hemisphere. But hey, if we don't, who do you want to give that responsibilty to?

    Also, Hitler wasn't doing all of those things yet in 1934.

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    you're kidding right? Was Arbenz invading the rest of Latin America and putting people in concentration camps and gassing them? If anything, we were the ones invading other countries in this hemisphere and arming death squads and dictators' armies to murder people.

    As far as the second part of your posts go, why don't we become the de facto rulers of the world, simply deciding who governs where? JC, I used to enjoy my conversations with you, despite our ideological differences, but this is a bit too much ...

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    [QUOTE=JC Callender;1061933916]The difference between Hitler and Arbenz is that Arbenz was pre-emptive. You could be saying the same thing about Hitler if we took him out in 1934. We have a right to protect our hemisphere. But hey, if we don't, who do you want to give that responsibilty to?



    not much point to keeping this conversation going with you ... you think the U.S. has the right to play God, I don't ...

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