View Poll Results: Would you openly say you are proud to be American/nationality of your country?

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  • Yes, I am American and very proud to be American, and I will gladly tell that everybody.

    26 24.53%
  • Yes, I am American and feel proud to be American, but I wouldn't boast with it..

    7 6.60%
  • Yes, I'm American and proud, but I also think many things could be improved about my country.

    31 29.25%
  • No. I'm American, but living here was not my achievement. So why should I be proud?

    16 15.09%
  • No, I'm American and way too many things are going wrong here.

    6 5.66%
  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud to be citizen of my country.

    4 3.77%
  • Yes. I'm NOT American, but I'm proud, although I see room for improvement..

    4 3.77%
  • No. I'm NOT American, and being born here was not due to my efforts. Why being proud?

    4 3.77%
  • No. I'm NOT American, and my country sucks. No way to be proud.

    1 0.94%
  • other (please explain)

    7 6.60%
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    An average American 16-year-old, just for arguments sake, how many times has he recited the Pledge of Allegiance? How about an 8-year-old? Does an 8 year old even know what allegiance is when he/she pledges it?
    I think most of us have been programmed to be loyal to our tribe. "I pledge allegiance to the flag..." How silly is that? If you're proud to be an American, does that mean that being an American is better than being an Australian or a Japanese or a Fijian?
    This crap, this tribalism, far from being something to be proud of is something we need to leave behind.
    What about the 15 and 16 year old American citizens who are told to recite the Mexican pledge of allegiance in an American class room ?
    Then they are required after taking the allegiance to Mexico, they have to sing the Mexican National Anthem.




    And lets not forget all of those Mexican flags that are displayed in American schools across the American Southwest and especially in California.
    Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?-kleincollins-jpg
    This a high school in Texas.


    And in the city of Montebello, California when Latino anchor babies students demanded that their illegal alien parents be awarded amnesty and citizenship for breaking America's laws how did they send their message ?

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    There honestly is very little to be proud about living in the United States. We live in a nation where only the wealthy remain wealthy, sit on their wealth and don't work a day in they're life while on the flipside we have over 20 million people on food stamps and unemployment not even looking to stop relying on the government for everything. We have the largest military in the world, but instead of using it for defense we use it to bully our way into things we have no business with. We are the fattest nation in the world, a place where a man and a man or a woman and a woman get different rights/ benefits than a straight couple. We have an overcrowded prison system filled with "criminals" that commit petty offenses. We also turn on the news every day to shootings of children in schools or movie theaters, then bicker over whether or not we should enact common sense measures such as background checks. We become outraged at our government when terrorists hit at home, but we also become outraged when the government takes steps to counter terrorism with court ordered record obtaining. We continue to complain about our government but never think for a second we might be the reason why it is so bad. There is a Congress that couldn't agree on the color of the sky none the less make important decisions regarding our lives. We have the largest debt in the world, yet we have billionaires crying over loose change to them. We have an education system that relies on minimum competency and the building up of students of becoming simply affluent in a subject. A nation where gaining a higher education is the sole way to get a solid career, but yet getting an education puts students tens of thousands in the red. Everything about the United States is backwards, I wish I had a fix, but I don't. The only thing is clear is that being an American is not as a proud thing as it used to be. Let it be clear, I understand we could be much worse and am certainly not complaining about what we have, but it is certainly not the promise land it used to be or was made out to be.
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    So tell me then, what are your views?
    I consider pride of country to be little different than pride of race. I acknowledge your resolve to defend your homeland but I consider that to be just a fantasy- it can never happen but it feels good to say and it gets a round of determined nods from all of your tribesmen.
    I believe humans are still evolving but our evolution has stalled because we still can't get past the tribal xenophobia thing, that primate series of responses- "See the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger, kill the stranger!" that drives us to wars that look meaningless in retrospect.
    I think that if we can't honestly believe that everyone in the world is equal, we should still act as if we do. The Jesuit thing, "Act as if ye had faith and faith shall be given unto you."

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    What about the 15 and 16 year old American citizens who are told to recite the Mexican pledge of allegiance in an American class room ?
    Then they are required after taking the allegiance to Mexico, they have to sing the Mexican National Anthem.




    And lets not forget all of those Mexican flags that are displayed in American schools across the American Southwest and especially in California.
    Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?-kleincollins-jpg
    This a high school in Texas.


    And in the city of Montebello, California when Latino anchor babies students demanded that their illegal alien parents be awarded amnesty and citizenship for breaking America's laws how did they send their message ?

    Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?-mexican_flag_american_flag_upsidedown1-jpg
    It's all brainwashing. If the washed brains are imprinted with what you believe, you approve. Otherwise it's an outrage.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    It's all brainwashing. If the washed brains are imprinted with what you believe, you approve. Otherwise it's an outrage.
    It's an OUTRAGE !

    And it's a dead giveaway who's behind it.

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    I'm proud of my country. I'm a somewhat contradictory liberal nationalist.
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    may l be proud of being turk
    Only if you give me an ayran from your avatar first!

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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    I'm proud to be an American! We have our sins for sure, who doesn't, but overall has there been a better nation than ours? Our charity alone, I believe, ranks us above any country in history. We've liberated (or helped liberate) countries and set up democracies (Germany and Japan for example...
    Until when will we be ignored like this! It's "Germany, Japan, Dardania for example!" Why is it so difficult to be included there?
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    He is an Englishman!
    For he himself has said it,
    And it's greatly to his credit,
    That he is an Englishman!
    That he is an Englishman!
    For he might have been a Russian,
    A French, or Turk, or Prussian,
    Or perhaps Itali-an!
    Or perhaps Itali-an!
    But in spite of all temptations
    To belong to other nations,
    He remains an Englishman!
    He remains an Englishman!
    For in spite of all temptations
    To belong to other nations,
    He remains an Englishman!
    He remains an Englishman!
    LOL! This sort of thing is appropriate for musical comedy (Gilbert & Sullivan in this case,) but few nationalities have the bare faced arrogance to unashamedly profess pride in the pre-eminence of their particular nation to an international audience.

    I have said this before, but it bears repeating. If I were to say to my friend that mine is the best country in the world - I am clearly saying to him that his country is inferior to mine. And, unless I have intimate knowledge of the workings of every society in the world, not only am I displaying monumental bad manners, but a great deal of ignorance as well. And for how long thereafter will he remain my friend?

    Pride is a very different animal from affection. There are few of us who do not have affection for the people, the environment, and the cultural practices, we experienced while growing up in a particular society. When we are very young, these things are taken as a God-given standard by which all other environments are to be judged. But as we grow up we realise the world is not a monotone - there are other colours and there are shades of grey. So the mature person retains the affection for the familiar things of his youth, but he realises that just because these are his experiences, it does not follow that they are ipso facto 'right', or 'the best'. Other experiences and other environments are as likely to have equal claim.

    So, while I am sure that I would not hesitate to take up arms to defend 'my country', what I am really saying is that I would do so in order to defend the people for whom I care. Otherwise, pride in the land of one's birth is merely primitive tribalism.
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    Re: Are you proud to be American/citizen of your country?

    It depends on what I'm observing at the time. For example, the answer is no and I feel lost in a sea of idiots when I see how many people are on social media calling Snowden a hero. Unfortunately, I have to say it's no more often than yes.
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