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    1984

    Sales of Orwell’s ’1984′ Increase more than 3000% as Details of NSA Scandal Emerge - ABC News

    There was a Chinese curse: let thou live in interesting times! I think we are there.
    Please, discuss.

    And remember, Big Brother is watching you.

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    Re: 1984

    Big Brother has been watching for a long, long time. The masses are just now figuring it out.
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    Re: 1984

    Yeah, I can see why that would spur interest...Forced to read it in 10th grade. In fact, the *only* high school book that was worth reading. Hopefully they aren't reading it and going "I want to join the NSA now!!"

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    Re: 1984

    I never read it, but I head quite a bit of it.

    It seems that since Carter didn't get a second term, it had to wait for Carter Jr. to be elected.

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    Re: 1984

    Information from the Ministry of Marketing.

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    Re: 1984

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Big Brother has been watching for a long, long time. The masses are just now figuring it out.
    Not quite. For example, it would take a god to monitor all these things 50 or 100 years ago. But now every family has a TV to brainwash the public, mobile phones (which can act both as tracking and eavesdropping device), numerous surveillance cameras, a computer (monitoring interests, opinions, private correspondence, etc), machines TO RECORD all this information and the searching engines to sort it out.

    Btw, your nickname looks soooo suspicious.

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    Re: 1984

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Not quite. For example, it would take a god to monitor all these things 50 or 100 years ago. But now every family has a TV to brainwash the public, mobile phones (which can act both as tracking and eavesdropping device), numerous surveillance cameras, a computer (monitoring interests, opinions, private correspondence, etc), machines TO RECORD all this information and the searching engines to sort it out.

    Btw, your nickname looks soooo suspicious.
    TV has been around for 60 years now and back then it was only three channels plus maybe an education channel. Before that the country was hooked on radio, which wasn't just music. In the 50's the first faltering steps toward mass advertisement were taken, by the 70's Madison Ave was as popular a moniker as Wall St.

    Local governments have always been able to listen in on phone calls. Tracking who was talking to whom cross country or outside the country was easy with only one long distance company and darn few calls because of the cost.

    Surveillance cams have been around for decades. They first started popping up in the 80's. Before that there were a lot of guards watching through one-way mirrors.

    Reel to reel tapes, the good ones, not those cheap things, could hold hours of conversation per reel.


    The main thing that changed was the digitizing of communications of all kinds and, thereby, being able to use computers to help with assimilation and pattern detection instead of having a whole room full of specialists just to do a few jobs. It's also made a new market in business as well with companies doing their own pattern detection on what few links they can make for you, so it's not just Uncle Sam we should be worried about. Corporate America is watching what you do, too, and starting to use focused advertisement, planned just for your consumption. :-/



    BTW - I'm a retired Missouri land surveyor. The first line in my sig contains a clue to that.
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    Re: 1984

    Yep, one of my favorites. Loved animal farm, too. Made me into a libertarian until I realized that laissez faire was a pipe dream. Now I've ditched the labels, and that has made all of the difference.

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    Re: 1984

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    TV has been around for 60 years now and back then it was only three channels plus maybe an education channel...
    Local governments have always been able to listen in on phone calls.
    Yes but a few people had them at first. No phone, no listen. I doubt if they could scan regular mail.
    Bur now virtually everyone has a phone and a TV, which makes monitoring a piece of cake.
    Bill Gates once said that "640K ought to be enough for anybody". Now the regular redneck HDD is already 1 TB which gives almost limitless potential to record and process info - metadata, video streams, logs, etc. etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    BTW - I'm a retired Missouri land surveyor. The first line in my sig contains a clue to that.

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    Re: 1984

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    And remember, Big Brother is watching you.
    Oh no!


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