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    Re: 1984

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Sales of Orwell’s ’1984′ Increase more than 3000% as Details of NSA Scandal Emerge - ABC News

    There was a Chinese curse: let thou live in interesting times! I think we are there.
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    And remember, Big Brother is watching you.
    Read it a while ago as a teen. Was pretty impressive.
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    Re: 1984

    So Orwell was prophetic. Worth the read if only to learn how influential the novel has been. The Doublespeak Awards, the thought police, freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2=4, being a rebel only from the waist down, how if there's hope, it lies with the proles, and why the Party does what it does: Because it can.

    One of my favorite parts is Syme's discussion of the beauty of the destruction of language (Syme speaking to the protagonist, Winston):

    "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Of course the great wastage is in the verbs and adjectives, but there are hundreds of nouns that can be got rid of as well. it isn't only the synonyms; there are also the antonyms. After all, what justification is there for a word which is simply the opposite of some other words? …Take 'good,' for instance. If you have a word like 'good,' what need is there for a word like 'bad'? 'Ungood will do just as well--better, because it's an exact opposite, which the other is not.

    Or again, if you want a stronger version of 'good,' what sense is there in having a whole string of vague uselesss words like 'excellent' and 'splendid' and all the rest of them? 'Plusgood' covers the meaning, or 'doubleplusgood' if you want something stronger still…In your heart you'd prefer to stick to Oldspeak, with all its vagueness and its useless shades of meaning. You don't grasp the beauty of the destruction of words….Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it."

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    Re: 1984

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So Orwell was prophetic. Worth the read if only to learn how influential the novel has been. The Doublespeak Awards, the thought police, freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2=4, being a rebel only from the waist down, how if there's hope, it lies with the proles, and why the Party does what it does: Because it can.

    One of my favorite parts is Syme's discussion of the beauty of the destruction of language (Syme speaking to the protagonist, Winston):

    "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Of course the great wastage is in the verbs and adjectives, but there are hundreds of nouns that can be got rid of as well. it isn't only the synonyms; there are also the antonyms. After all, what justification is there for a word which is simply the opposite of some other words? …Take 'good,' for instance. If you have a word like 'good,' what need is there for a word like 'bad'? 'Ungood will do just as well--better, because it's an exact opposite, which the other is not.

    Or again, if you want a stronger version of 'good,' what sense is there in having a whole string of vague uselesss words like 'excellent' and 'splendid' and all the rest of them? 'Plusgood' covers the meaning, or 'doubleplusgood' if you want something stronger still…In your heart you'd prefer to stick to Oldspeak, with all its vagueness and its useless shades of meaning. You don't grasp the beauty of the destruction of words….Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it."
    That's an amazing quote.

    Not sure if he was that prophetic, though. After all, Nazism and Stalinism were well known already when he wrote it in 1948.
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    Re: 1984

    I love that book. My favorite concept in the book is "doublethink" because I see it every single day in a society where one's views about Jesus somehow, through the magic of doublethink, directly affects their views on guns and global warming.
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    Re: 1984

    The other book people need to read which is astonishing in its foresight is "The Iron Heel" by Jack London

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    Re: 1984

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    That's an amazing quote.

    Not sure if he was that prophetic, though. After all, Nazism and Stalinism were well known already when he wrote it in 1948.
    I don't think he could've dreamed that we would willingly and cheerfully away give our freedoms. I mean, nobody's making us embed cell phones in our palms.

    You're right; the rise of Nazism and Stalinism certainly informed his writings as did the rise of Nazism and Stalinism. More so maybe, because it was at first-hand,his experience in the Spanish Civil War (and copping in Burma and slumming in London and Paris).

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    Re: 1984

    Interesting, thought provoking thread.

    Back when the NSA could actually listen in on ANY communication they wished WITHOUT a FICA court warrant I wonder what the book sales were doing?

    At 10 bucks a copy I suspect some on the Radical Right will be all decked out in multiple '1984isms'. Too bad when big brother was actually looking in this didn't happen- is late better than never in this case?

    Does put me to thinking back when a right wing guy authorized far more intrusion the Right was nervous but figured the snoopers were on their side, now the 'other team' is in the power seat and the program no longer looks into the communications but the PATTERN they create and it's BUY THE BOOK!

    Still the REAL book to get has moved up 54,949% on the movers and shakers list... at 50 bucks a copy it ain't cheap talking point fodder, the book is 'Here Far Away'

    When 1984 goes for 50 bucks a copy instead of 10 and the waiting list is thousands long I'll be impressed. Best I can find is the book rose from 7000ths on the book seller list to 194- impressive math but just how many books are in fact being sold? THAT would be a right handy number to know.

    Read the book in High School, read and saw Fahrenheit 451 (which FYI was written over concerns of McCarthy so the authors seemed to worry about the Radical Right than Liberals) Does seem at times 'logic' gets twisted back on itself.

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    Re: 1984

    Yep. Three times, I think.

    I thought it was really funny when the reality show Big Brother came out and many people had no idea what the reference was. Well, not funny....sad.


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    Re: 1984

    I also remember in high school we read both Brave New World (I've read it a couple times since then) and 1984. Our lit teacher said, "I bet that the U.S. evolves into Brave New World and Europe into 1984." I think we're a bit of both, really.


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    Re: 1984

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Yep. Three times, I think.

    I thought it was really funny when the reality show Big Brother came out and many people had no idea what the reference was. Well, not funny....sad.
    Please tell me you're kidding, Josie. Seriously?

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