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    is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    Who believes that Snowden is a traitor or a hero or maybe you think he's a plant for something larger?

    Many people believe that he is a hero, but those loyal to and working in government sense that Snowden is a traitor for leaking secrets...

    I believe he is a traitor who used his position for personal gain and 15 mins of fame.
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    Re: is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    I don't know enough about what he allegedly leaked to form an opinion. Having been breathing during the Bush Administration made it a little hard not to know this stuff was going on with all the controversy about them not even bothering going to the FISA judges so I am not sure the revealing the existence of already known programs really warrants either "Hero" or "Traitor".

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    Re: is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    The traitor vs hero dichotomy is too simplistic for me. I support the leak and am, in fact, grateful for it. I consider the Verizon and Prism programs to be an abuse of government power and a violation of the 4th Amendment if not also the 1st Amendment.

    While I understand that secrecy may be necessary in some cases, I also do not want my constitutional rights decimated in the interest of my "safety." If the government wants to implement such a broad policy of surveillance, then it needs to make its case to me. It doesn't get to do it in secret and then try to scare me into accepting their actions by telling me that terrorists are out to get me the way that people like Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein among others have been doing in the wake of these leaks.

    Furthermore, the mere fact that NSA was neither secure nor responsible enough to keep its own information private makes it clear that it is not secure or responsible enough to have my private information in its hands. For all of those reasons, I support Snowden's actions. Leaks can be a dangerous game, but I think Snowden was responsible. But again, the hero/traitor dichotomy isn't something I buy into. He could be both or neither. What he is, however, does not take away the value of his actions and the information he released.

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    Re: is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    He's a criminal, and therefore closer to the first than the second. Whatever his intentions or convictions may be, they do not grant him the authority to play lawyer and release the contents of classified, legally sanctioned activities pertaining to homeland security.

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    Re: is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    He's a criminal, and therefore closer to the first than the second. Whatever his intentions or convictions may be, they do not grant him the authority to play lawyer and release the contents of classified, legally sanctioned activities pertaining to homeland security.
    If they expose abuse of power, then yes, they do grant him the authority.

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    Re: is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If they expose abuse of power, then yes, they do grant him the authority.
    Snowden had the legal ability to take the proper channels in critiquing and seeking to end these practices, not the right to release classified information to media outlets.

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    Re: is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    I picked hero, but he is equally a criminal in my eyes.
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    Re: is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Snowden had the legal ability to take the proper channels in critiquing and seeking to end these practices, not the right to release classified information to media outlets.

    That's a load of crap evidenced by the fact that when questioned through the proper channels our NSA leaders "lied outright" to our Congressmen Wyden and Udall. They were testifying to a Senate committee. That would be "lied to us, you and I" because Wyden and Udall were representing you and I in proper legal channels. Prosecute Clapper and McCullough.

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    Re: is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That's a load of crap evidenced by the fact that when questioned through the proper channels our NSA leaders "lied outright" to our Congressmen Wyden and Udall. They were testifying to a Senate committee. That would be "lied to us, you and I" because Wyden and Udall were representing you and I in proper legal channels. Prosecute Clapper and McCullough.
    Don't know the details of the hearing you're referring to. If true, that fact still obviously doesn't absolve Snowden from his own legal responsibilities.

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    Re: is edward snowden a hero or traitor?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Snowden had the legal ability to take the proper channels in critiquing and seeking to end these practices, not the right to release classified information to media outlets.
    Interesting. So you propose that he should have brought up the issues he saw with the surveillance program to the very institution that created, implemented and continuously approved the programs in all three branches of government - to the same institution whose members have made it very clear that they see no problem with the programs? And this, in your mind, would have done what?

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