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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Because we brought the war to their homes.
    No, actually Saddam Hussein brought the war to their homes.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It appears that the concept of priorities and the fact that the US cannot do everything at the same time, and thus must adopt a variety of policies, is beyond you.
    So what is our alliance and financial support of Saudi Arabia? Does invading that country only become priority once they don't play ball with the US?


    Perhaps someday absolutism will satisfy my philosophical and intellectual needs, but in the past and today I it lacking.
    This has nothing to do with absolutism and everything to do with understanding how States function. Perhaps YOUR motives were altruistic. But to claim that was the intention of the neocons and defense contractors is naive.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Grotesquely false equivalence.


    :barf
    Right, the guy who kills 115,000 is a good guyl
    The guy who kills 115,000 plus one is a scumbag.
    It's like reaching into a bag of turds to pull out the good one.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, actually Saddam Hussein brought the war to their homes.
    I find it interesting you have a quote from Mencken in your sig. A man who would have been very opposed to the Iraq War.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, actually Saddam Hussein brought the war to their homes.

    Gosh! Have you already forgotten that great TV show "Shock and Awe," on location in Baghdad and Iraq? Produced and Directed by the leader of buffoonery and ignorance, the infamous First Moron, his slipperiness, GWBush.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No. We are comparing scumbags by relativity. I don't think The First Moron's killing of 115,000 plus Iraqis is any different than Saddam killing 115,000 plus Iraqis.
    I'm having a hard time following you, please use real names for who you are talking about. Is Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, the first President under the Iraqi Republic, the First Moron?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I'm having a hard time following you, please use real names for who you are talking about. Is Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, the first President under the Iraqi Republic, the First Moron?
    It seems pretty clear in Post 75. Is English your first language?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Not sure why this stat matters...
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It seems pretty clear in Post 75. Is English your first language?
    Sorry, I was just responding to your quote. Hard to follow along when you use your own made up names for people.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So what is our alliance and financial support of Saudi Arabia? Does invading that country only become priority once they don't play ball with the US?
    Is this coming from the same person who thinks that diplomacy and not war is the answer to world development? Tell ya what, I'll explain a bit. You see, when a country "plays ball" with the US, that means we have diplomatic and economic ties. With those ties, the West is provided an in-road, if you will, towards the liberalization of those countries. Of course, we expect most countries to liberalize slowly, as we prod them along with the various tools in the diplomatic toolbox. Now, countries that are not willing to "play ball" with the West must be dealt with in other ways (sanctions, etc).

    Now that you are aware of the many tools in the diplomatic toolbox and the role of context and priorities in the decision making process, you should be capable of grasping how these considerations result in various policies enacted towards various countries.

    This has nothing to do with absolutism and everything to do with understanding how States function. Perhaps YOUR motives were altruistic. But to claim that was the intention of the neocons and defense contractors is naive.
    It is not only absolutism, but gravely ignorant absolutism. To pretend that every country should be treated exactly the same, as if any two countries are exactly the same, is a most unfortunate and, frankly, blind method of diplomacy.


    ps. I don't believe in altruism. I do what I do because it helps me sleep better.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-12-13 at 03:13 PM.

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